pulverschwein

That's what I thought. Lambone - CNN is showing shots from KOIN-KPTV, but I don't know link. Zeta male - you're a hypocritical prick.

Oregon Natl Guard says info is like a bullseye; shrinking area of search. They are focusing where they found some equipment and possibly a snow cave that is relatively close to cell phone signal source, on steep, NE aspect of mountain, 300' below summit in and area that SAR cannot hike, but must climb to. They presently have no information regarding found climbers. Crews are on the ground are on their way to investigate what they are confident is a snow cave. They hope to have more information later today. "Ice spike" and coil of rope were found according to Nat'l Guard spokesman. They don't know if they have confirmed footprints. More detail will be coming in. Sherriff said they confirmed footprints going toward summit.

You have inspired me to register for this forum. Despite numerous explanations, and although you are admitedly not a mountaineer, you persist in reiterating the same oversimplistic response. I personally, am far from being any sort of expert mountaineer - I know about my own equipment on my own adventures, but that is irrelevant and will do nothing to help the missing climbers, their families or the SAR efforts. What I think is important at this time is that you LISTEN to what the very knowledgeable mountaineers on this board have to say about this particular piece of safety equipment that you are obsessed with. Moreover, your comments show a complete lack of respect, compassion and empathy given the fact that we know that the missing climbers' families are monitoring this board. Please, give it a rest, Phil - if for no other reason than to prevent these climbers' families from giving up hope, second guessing their decisions or the recommendations of what others could have done. I cannot understand why you insist on pontificating the same ill-informed, repetitive dribble ad nauseum. Please stop. If you won't, I implore the moderators of this board to ban your innane comments until the rescue efforts are over for the sake of the mountaineers' families. Of course, I hope we get some good news soon. Thank you.