BobC

Climbing is much more dangerous than the other things you mention. It's suicide when you don't do things to mitigate the danger, consciously or not.

I think better comparisons are the one's Hemingway made: Bull Riders and Race Car Drivers. Climbing and Combat? Well, climbing is just another way to get to the fight. Combat is something completely different.

I think the first couple of pages of this thread make my point. Finding a way to justify not staying out SAR's way is proof enough. And who doubts that the vast majority of deaths related to climbing are human factor driven? Since the human factors are so easily mitigated, yet so frequently ignored well....

Well yes I do. I was originally responding to remarks about climbing the mountain anyway, regardless of what SAR was doing, and of course petty remarks about the US Military need to fired upon. Climbing is great, but it's risks must be managed. Many climbers see the whole thing as a suicide pact: do what they want when they want regardless of weather, SAR needs or other considerations.

The best way to serve your country is to not be a knee-jerk dumbass. Too late for you. You think you're Above the Law- well...you're not. I am not above the law and those that think they can go climb when SAR is in operation around the whole mountain aren't either. Critical remarks about the US Military by those that don't know anything about the US Military makes the poster and their comments fair game.

Your stupid comment about promoting slaughter in Iraq is like telling Texans to stay off Mt. Hood.

Most of you morons wouldn't serve your contry under any circumstances in the first place, so why bring it up at all? The 304th is down there with the PSAR. Keep your sarcism coming, I'm reloading.

Yeah, let's make SAR's job even harder. What don't you just question authority. Ask those in authority questions.

I am a member since 1976. No stores just catalog. I try not to forget that since I am a member I am an owner (sort of). I complained in writing just the other day about the dismal lack of mens randonnee boots. Got a call back from a manager and thanks from floor staff, and they got more boots on the shelf, Scarpa Spirit in particular. REI isn't Wal-Mart, I think they listen. Since I go in the mother store often, I tell every manager I see to not forget the core, Climb, Camp, Ski, Bike. I've been told that climbing is only 3% of sales. In that case they need to hear that that 3% is important and they should do something to increase it, just like they do for dog stuff and kites and stuff lack that, that I wish they wouldn't sell either, but that's the way it is. And you can't beat that return policy.