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Blah blah blah Raindog no likey bolts, got it.

Sweeckness!

it seems to me that the very act of thinking about something is abstractive. does that mean "property" is an abstract in itself? only if you think about it! but seriously, it seems that possessiveness is built on an entirely primal drive, the drive to consume and devour and possess, perhaps older than the first prokaryote, older than the big bang, and perhaps (perhaps), it makes sense to collectively and legally cater to such a primitive powerful drive to some degree. i personally think we cater wayyyy too much, with our fetishizing of "property", "ownership" and the like, institutionalizing it to such a degree that we all take it as concrete and a given: the only possibility (look at wealth distribution, in america especially). also look at your statement above (also note the role the word "regard" plays in your thinking). personally, i think it's madness, this "mine mine mine". do i live my personal abstraction in its ideal form? no. i sometimes get irritated when my wife drinks the last of the cocoa puffs. yes, she drinks them. i did smile when my van got stolen. especially when i found it, and it was full of blankets and such (provided a home to some kids, judging by the cd's left behind. plus, i liked speakerbox!). but, i also suffer from road-rage. this is truly suffering. Are you a philosophy major or something?

To me it seemed like your post was saying, "Big deal, they probably got em pro dealed anyways, and it's not like they were cams so who cares? People get robbed for way more everyday!" That sounded like a position of defense towards the culprit, sorry if I misunderstood you. And I didn't mean to suggest you were stupid, if I did. I agree, issues of petty theivery definetly pale in comparison to the tragedies of wartime victims.

If the tax man or morgage man comes for your money it's because you signed a morgage agreement or you owe taxes on your profits. There's no correlation between stealing and making obligatory payments. After I watched the video and decided to read the text I had no idea this thief would get a defense. "He saved the route from selfish siege climbers!" "Draws aren't really worth that much anyways." That's pretty stupid.

Trip: Antalya area, Turkey - Date: 12/20/2010 Trip Report: In August this last year my girlfriend Misty moved to Turkey to take a teaching job. Obviously I would go and visit, and turns out there happens to be some nice climbing there as well! We left Istanbul for our tour of Southwest Turkey on Mistys first day of winter break, Dec 19th. Our first destination was Olimpos and neither her nor I knew anything about the climbing there. The Antalya region guidebook is pretty vague as well. Olimpos is pretty much a spring/summer tourist trap built around ancient ruins also boasting miles of rocky gorgeous beaches and coastline. In winter though, it's completely deserted. We decided to climb first at a cliff named Cennet, meaning heaven in english. After passing an ancient fortress on the trail to Cennet, you pop out of the trees with a full view of the gently overhanging limestone wall. With long routes on beautifully featured rock, turqoise ocean behind you and a 3 mile sunny sandy beach 10 minutes back down the trail, I can see why they call it heaven. Cennet http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/plab/data/500/medium/DSCF2127.JPG' alt='DSCF2127.JPG'> Our last climbing destination was in Geyikbayiri (sounds like geek-bayer). We'd tried to get accomodations here but everything was full so we rented a car and just went for a day. Turns out this is quite the Euro sport climbing destination! The crags are roadside, the weather is great year round, and the rock is really cool. As one might imagine with all of the available lodging full, it was rather busy. Everywhere I looked I saw young, wafer thin Euros sporting dreadlock mullets and sending .13+. The popular crags though, are everything you would want from a high end limestone cave-style crag. Fins, pockets, stalactites, mini-caves, etc. The area is quite new but is already very polished, on the popular routes anyways. Turkey has a lot of really good climbing, but It's a long ways away from the U.S. to be any sort of American climbing destination, I think. Which might explain why we met only one other American climber there. Although, I wouldn't dissuade someone who wanted to check it out. Gear Notes: At least a 35m rope, and a bunch of draws. Approach Notes: $850 plane ticket, at least. You'll either have to ride a bus everywhere or rent a car. If you get a car, bring your rally car gloves and a cool head, and get ready to pay $12 a gallon for gas. They don't have street signs either by the way.

How is the notion of property abstract? I'd say the notion of property is regarded as a pretty concrete reality, certainly in America. I doubt the theif was pondering the theoretical principles involved in property ownership when he was stripping draws off the wall. Punching the guy when he came down would have been a terrible response to the situation. The filmers handled the moment quite well. If you really were just clueless of the local ethics, why wouldn't you immediately offer to give all of the gear back? Seems property isn't too abstract of a notion to him.

The Der town crew..lol

Depends on the ski. There are reverse camber skis, zero camber, rocker with camber, etc. At 110 under foot a ski starts to become "fat" in description I think, for which there are lots of kinds in terms stiffness and sidecut. Along with the variance in camber selection this is a huge range of skis. But they are certainly not just resort toys. I got a pair of Megawatts a few years ago and haven't skied on anything else since. I actually got rid of my other skis because they never saw the light of day. They even took me up Baker a few times. The only time touring sucks with fat skis is on steep traverses where a smaller previously cut track is existent or the snow is solid. Otherwise, the benefits of skiing fat rocker style in powder easily outweighs any negative aspect of their design.

2 routes on world wall should be dry enough.

I dig your blog dude

"It personifies everything bad about climbing IMO- flashy, stupid, shallow." Interesting choice of words regarding a different kind of tool.

I don't believe that leave not trace exists. Most sport climbing jives fine enough with me for leave little trace. What are the outdoor sports that qualify to compare it to? Motorcycle riding? Snowmobiling? Mountain biking? Hiking? Hunting? Yachting? NASCAR? Beach Volleyball? Did you really mean sports? Look, sport climbing has more impact than some other kinds of climbing mostly because it is so popular. And it is popular because it is fun and relatively safe. I personally think that is ok. The impact to the environment is small relative to the enjoyment that we as sport climbers get. I understand you don't feel the same way and as far as I can tell don't believe in relative truths, Well put. I think the only other 'sport' with adherence to LNT is hiking. By which you aren't leaving a trace because of a massive amount of impact already done, trails, campsites, etc. Relative truth is important to undestand in any debate. Only through understanding something can you hope to gain control of it use it to your advantage. Don't be dogmatic. The proponents of bolting have given clear and legitimate rebuttals to the opponent camp regarding environment, ethics, etc. And you apparently refuse to acknowledge those. All that is left is to make an unsubstantiated claim that bolting ethics will invariably lead to a Euro-circus of via ferratta all over the states, consuming all spirit of climbing in its path! There are no signs of this currently happening. I know it's hard to admit you're wrong, but you are..at least partly.

The position of clean climbing is an honorable one, but it's hard to give it numbers or values to determine the difference between using bolts and hanging draws in terms of environmental or ethical cost. If you could attach values to clean climbing and bolting, and other impacts regarding climbing, access of the crags by the climbing community alone would certainly dwarf any impact of putting bolts in rocks. You can't really make the argument "It's bad for the environment.". Therefore, the postion is purely based on opinion, and the postion takes a conservative and authoritative tone in the face of a growing, progressing, and passionate society of climbers. There are people who feel that the modern evolution of climbing is positive, bolts and draws and all, and there are people who feel that many of it's aspects are heretical to the ethics by which climbing was born. The difference between the two opinions is that one seeks to impose restrictions on the other, without reciprocity. Which, I think, is why people get fired up about the reactionary argument against the shape of modern climbing. And comparing putting bolts in rocks to opening Mt Ranier National Park to ORV use is fuckin ridiculous.

Social conservatism is trash. Sport in America is not encroaching on gear routes. I've seen nearly zero evidence of this throughout US crags. Categorizing people who set sport routes as "they", as if they only sport climb and have no regard for anything but sandwiched, overbolted sport routes is nonsense and simplistic. Sport climbing and bouldering are lots of fun, and the enthusiasm and strength shown in the progressing generation of climbers is great. I'd say the anti-sport/boulderer camp cares more about their ego's than bolts or chains or draws or pins or slings on a route.

Hanging draws is way different than throwing garbage out your windows. You should roll up to little si and pull all the fixed draws off, since it's trash and such a big deal.

I think it is kind of expensive actually, although it still should have some. I want to say it's in the area of $800 a month or something to have one installed and maintained at vantage CG. Yoder was trying to raise money to have one put in a while back, to no avail.

Its sweet when you stroll into a secluded spot at vantage CG to take a dump, and find out pretty much everyone else found the same spot. I think I'd take the secluded-bush-shitpile over the poo-cone garbage filled porta potties of days past though. I think most of the shit get mowed by critters anyways. For the amount of people crapping in a several acre radius, it's really not that bad.

Right on Devin.

Washington is in a large budget deficit situation, plain and simple. Their choice in closures is logical. The spectrum of public funding cuts is broad, and the parks are part of that. I'd say if climbers and hikers are worried about the impact of closures they need to take action beyond calling state representatives and senators, which will not likely have much effect, and organize to raise the money themselves.....because the state is broke.

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Fa'er Stu Ford?

Super Dr. mega is what Jim calls it, I've heard Jeremy call it something else too.... Hmm....I could only speculate as to the evidence you your referreing too, but is it draws hanging on Baby on Board? I saw you climbing that in about April I think it was? This photo was taken in the 3rd week of August this year actually! And Im not fat! Edit-- Or the 1st section, intermediate chains, of Fight Club, as I used to call it before being corrected numerous times. What do you call it?

Thats some pretty solid air time your gettin on that first pic there too btw.

Bouldery thin section with a cool heel hook lock off move past 2nd bolt on Super Dr. Mega at the Equinox.