I just want to say... Yes that the guidebook does leave something to desire but.............. It's a fun place to climb with kick ass views. Is it the greatest?... I don't think so but it's about 10 minutes from my place and would be so bummed if it didn't exist. You can kick the place all you want but really it is a place with some of the best views of the San Juans and such. I love the place. Life is what you make it and so is climbing. Cup half full here.