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  1. Is there anyone out there who is interested and capable to climb either Adams Glacier or Lava glacier headwall on Adams this weekend 07/17 - 07/18?

     

    I have all the gear. Please, dont let me solo it.

     

    PM or e-mail me if interested.

     

    has anyone on CC been up Adams glacier lately? I have not seen any trip reports and I am curious what the conditions are like right now.

     

    T

  2. Just saw on the K5 news that he and his party had been ascending the Gibraltar Ledges Route and that he was an experienced climber. All his gear was found. This does not sound good! Hopefully the high pressure weather will kick in tomorrow and lead him being found safely.

     

    Also, those posts on komo are ridiculous, thank you to you who posted in reply.

     

    The vast majority of posters on Komo are ignorant. Just reading the comments on their is enough to give a healthy individual a heart attack.

  3. This is the forecast so far for the coming weekend. Sorta sounds like we have a 50/50 chance of making it:

     

    SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF

    SHOWERS. SNOW LEVEL 9000 FEET.

     

  4. My friend was supposed to climb Rainier at the end of this month. He told me there was an avalanche that killed two climbers around the end of May 2010. However, I can't find any news articles/ reports that this ever happened. Does anyone know of such an incident, or did my friend make up a story because his climb got cancelled? Thanks

     

    Did not hear about that one. But sounds like your friends story true or not just came true today with. http://www.komonews.com/news/local/95695844.html

  5. Sorry if I offended any religious people out there, but I think that far too many people have died (and are still dieing) in the name of religion. Can you say the crusades? The middle East?

     

     

    What a COP out. Your argument is full of holes. Religion is not the reason why people kill each other. However religion may be used as a tool by some to destroy others.

     

    There are plenty of world dictators and evil men I.E. Stalin, Pol Pot, and Hitler who had no need for Christianity or Islam. People will find plenty ways to kill one another. Sure religion may be used as an excuse, but I can think of alot of excuses that humans use to kill one another. I.E. race, class, economics, technology.

  6. I know two women who were raped.

    Both were random victims unlike the norm.

    One was raped at knife point and fought just enough to get his blood on her and her blood on him.

    He is up for parole in two years.

    The other one was raped and testified against the rapist. This put him in prison for several years. She was killed by the rapist just as he said he would if she testified against him. He got out on parole and she was dead within 24 hours.

    Let's try to rehabilitate him again eh?

    I have two daughters and two step daughters.

    I beleive in owning guns.

     

    This is why I support the death penalty. Plus we shouldn't allow animals like Clemmons on the street.

  7. Do we really want the troops competing for our jobs?

     

    You know at first I kinda chuckled but you do have a point.

     

    How many single young men is this current batch of wars keeping employed?

  8. That was then, this is now.

     

    The high growth local churches are all Big Box; largely a byproduct of the economic boom. Their model of big donations fueling big religious entertainment supplying the 'God will make you rich' message doesn't quite carry the same gravitas nowadays. God fucked their membership in the ass, that Bastard. These God-marts have deflated rapidly since the collapse. Add to that their overbuilding frenzy and you get many of these churches on the verge of financial collapse.

     

    Oh so your Bill Mahr now? :battlecage:

  9. We all hear how fast this and that religion is growing...unsubstantiated stuff, mostly, but how fast compared to overall population growth? Meanwhile, many religions are famously losing members by the millions; Catholism comes to mind. Many countries, Japan, Europe, etc, have abandoned religion in an almost wholesale fashion. God's will no longer even registers on their political list of issues.

     

    Not that I care. The world is fucked in the aggregate for the duration of my lifetime, I figure, but one can still have a great experience during the time allotted here.

     

    Unsubstantiated stuff? Seems like the same thing can be said about what you are saying.

     

    And your right Catholicism may be losing numbers, but many evangelical sects are gaining numbers big time.

     

    You ask for numbers:

     

    In 1900 Africa had around 10 million Christians out of a continental population of 107 about nine percent. Today there are 360 million Christians out of 784 million, (nearly half of the population claims to be Christians).

     

    As far as China goes, most researchers (including most secular sources) estimate the number of Christians to be at around 1 million in 1949. In the past 50 years there has been a 60 fold increase in Christianity. Today there are 50 to 120 million Christians in China (120 being the high end).

     

    The largest church in the world is in Korea, over a million people!

     

    I am not denying the fact that religion is at a stand still in Europe. I should say Christianity, because Islam is growing in Europe. And yes religion still does factor into politics in Europe and the west. The events of 9/11 is a good reminder of this. Just look at the ban on Minarets in Switzerland. Expect a backlash there. But the fact of the matter is that Christianity is growing rapidly in most of the non western nations.

     

    Well, I never threw out any numbers, so it's hard to be unsubstantiated, isn't it?

     

    You failed to included the LOSS of religiosity in Europe, the latin world, and elsewhere during the same periods you mentioned, that offset the numbers you'e posted above.

     

     

    I did mention Europe. But the reality is that the majority of Europe's population is aging and on the decline compared to most parts of the world. Regardless of whether Europe and parts of the United States are in decline, it has been remarkably offset by the increase in rather traditional christian churches in the rest of the world.

     

    Did I forget to Mention Pastor Cho's church in Korea, which is nearly a million members strong? Pretty similar to any main stream church in America (think Joel Osteen). You seem to discount the fact that global Christianity is on the rise.

     

    That being said the Pacific Northwest has largely been a secular region of the United States, but that has somewhat changed in recent years. The largest churches in the area are growing VERY FAST and are mostly what most would define as Evangelical I.E. Marshill in Ballard, City Church, Christian Faith Center, Champion Center just to name a few. And each one of these churches alone have at least 6,000 members. The pacific northwest has actually become quite religious in the last ten years.

     

    In the end I agree with you, many Christians in the United States have a marginal faith at best. But even a marginal faith has a huge influence on the culture of a society.

  10. We all hear how fast this and that religion is growing...unsubstantiated stuff, mostly, but how fast compared to overall population growth? Meanwhile, many religions are famously losing members by the millions; Catholism comes to mind. Many countries, Japan, Europe, etc, have abandoned religion in an almost wholesale fashion. God's will no longer even registers on their political list of issues.

     

    Not that I care. The world is fucked in the aggregate for the duration of my lifetime, I figure, but one can still have a great experience during the time allotted here.

     

    Unsubstantiated stuff? Seems like the same thing can be said about what you are saying.

     

    And your right Catholicism may be losing numbers, but many evangelical sects are gaining numbers big time.

     

    You ask for numbers:

     

    In 1900 Africa had around 10 million Christians out of a continental population of 107 about nine percent. Today there are 360 million Christians out of 784 million, (nearly half of the population claims to be Christians).

     

    As far as China goes, most researchers (including most secular sources) estimate the number of Christians to be at around 1 million in 1949. In the past 50 years there has been a 60 fold increase in Christianity. Today there are 50 to 120 million Christians in China (120 being the high end).

     

    The largest church in the world is in Korea, over a million people!

     

    I am not denying the fact that religion is at a stand still in Europe. I should say Christianity, because Islam is growing in Europe. And yes religion still does factor into politics in Europe and the west. The events of 9/11 is a good reminder of this. Just look at the ban on Minarets in Switzerland. Expect a backlash there. But the fact of the matter is that Christianity is growing rapidly in most of the non western nations.

  11. The vast majority of islamic growth is through reproduction. Whereas the latest trends show the vast majority of Christian growth is through conversion plus reproduction. Christianity is the fastest growing religion in South America, Africa, and Asia.

     

    What kind of conversion rates are you seeing in like Saudi Arabia or anywhere in the middle east I wonder?

     

    Pretty terrible from what I hear, but Saudi Arabia is an extermely repressed society. I read somewhere that there were around 13,000 in Saudi Arabia? I could be wrong.

     

    Many Christians living in arab countries are leaving! Living in an Islamic society is much different then living in a Christian or even Bhuddhist nation.

     

    I would argue that the rise of secular govermrent is much more possible in a Christian or Bhuddist nation versus a Muslim nation. Some here may disagree, but choice is an inherent principle in the Judeo/Christian ethic.

  12. Not nearly as fast as Islamic religion is

     

    WRONG! Didn't Regan say to Gorby trust but verify?

     

    The vast majority of islamic growth is through reproduction. Whereas the latest trends show the vast majority of Christian growth is through conversion plus reproduction.

     

    Christianity is the fastest growing religion in South America, Africa, and Asia.

     

    There is a 600 percent growth of Protestant Christianity in Vietnam. Additionally Evangelical Christianity (GASP to some!) is the fastest growing denomination in China. I don't know if you have been to China, but house churches are popping up everywhere, and that is one reason the Chinnese goverment has so brutally cracked down in recent years on the Church in China.

     

    The vast majority of muslims living in China live along the western and marginal edge in very rural areas. And most of its growth is due to natural birth rates (not conversion) Christianity meanwhile is growing in most of urban China. Current estimates are between 40 million on the low end, to 150 million on the high end. At current rates China may be the center of the evangelical world by mid century.

     

    Europe is a different story, only because immigration from Muslim nations is higher, and Europe tends to be secular.

     

    I know all the athiest on this board hate to hear this news. But Christianity is alive and doing very well in most of the non western world.

  13. SS tapped into a modern trend: the abandonment of deist religions worldwide. Humanity is finally figuring out that a life fully lived requires no such bed time stories. Governments have become increasingly secular. Perhaps the press garnished by fundamentalism is a last gasp before humanity finally abandons the Great Big Fuzzy Kitty myth altogether and truly moves into the modern age.

     

    Funny people were saying this 100 years ago too.

    Believe what you want but the fact is that Christianity is growing rapidly in places like China, the rest of Asia, Africa and many other parts of the world.

     

     

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