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If they did nest in these places, then they would have no reason to close the rock, from climbers. If they would close the entire rock to all climber and hikers, I might be alittle more understanding to the birds. And we all know they are not endangered anymore. Considering they nest on top of the Freemont brigde and half of the tall buildings downtown. Sorry just venting!!!

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Just a question: If it is proven that the birds did not nest there this last year and are not nesting in nesting season ( april and may )this year, then how can they justify closing the rock to perigrin nesting when there are no birds?

There are two seasons in OR, winter and August! Its not August yet. Dont forget about Broughtons. Usually it stays pretty dry on the bat wall, but as for what Joseph pointed out, it has been a rainy winter here. I usualy climb outside every weekend in the winter living in Ptown, but not this winter. Off to pull on plastic. Im not ashamed. (or am I)

I would rather be hard core.

You guys, and you know who you are, ( and Im not dissing you ) spend way to much time on the internet, and expecialy this site!!!! here here to the flying dutchman!!

I suppose the end result needs to be the rock that never closes, and is open for all kinds of rock climbing all year round. What ever it takes to make friends with everybody, I have never harbored any ill wish on anybody out there, for Beacon is my church where I go to pray. I just did not want to see webbing on the tree. Times do change and it seems now we have to abide by the rules of the times. We ( the climbers ) should be better organized, I agree. We never have had any fire power as the higherups have gathered to decide the fate of the closures. So if this gathering of information will help get the rock open, I am behind it. For the goal is realy to climb year round. Joe, initialy I was called upon to read the site about the tree, and as I got more involved I called some other locals who might have an opinion. I was not trying to make it out that I have not got others interested about it. As from the start of the meetings ( down at the lucky lab ) I am willing to do what it takes to get the rock open. I guess we will just have to disagree about posting all that you do online. I am willing to help with anchor replacements as you have seen, and want to be involved in the meetings. Joe/Bill, I am just scared about losing all of Beacon rock to online banter. We are all in this together and share a love for the special place in the gorge. We might disagree about how we do things, but if we didnt, we would not be human. As you all know I and we are very passionate about Beacon and we all have to find common ground to tread on, so we can move forward to clean up our church.

Just to let you know someone called me and told me about the web and what is being said, just to let you know.

The only reason the BRSP is involved is because you got them involved, if you would just never tell them about this sort of thing, there would be no problem and we (the locals who climb there regularly) would fix the problem. Joe, you told me you and the park rangers wanted to get "all of the webbing off of all of the trees" and now you want to put webbing on a tree. I agree with IAIN, the tree has withstood us (climbers) for a long time and I think it will withstand us for a long time to come. I mean its not like the tree moves everytime you lean on it. Its a pretty sturdy tree. And bringing in outside evirmental groups, whether it is good for the tree or not is BAD FOR BEACON ROCK. Your going to get the rock closed. Bringing unwanted attention to our hidden jewel is not what we (the locals) want. If you involve the state, if they see a problem, there best interest is to close the rock. My thought would be to not tell the BRSP or any other group anything you dont have to. I mean think about it, if you make a problem out of it, all it can do is bring bad press to beacon and the climbers. Lets be honest I very much thank you for your service and hard work out there, I know your heart and thoughts are in the right place, but talking about this place online all the time and telling people that its safer to climb there because this ledge is clean and that ledge is clean and this anchor is better will only draw unwanted attention to what once was a secret (beacon). With the tree subject, I think we ( the climbers )can figure the solution out without the help of outside (people who do climb or have never been to the ledge in reference) help. Joe, the reality is I have been climbing at Beacon for about 10 years now, every year without taking a break. Jim O taught me to climb and is one of my best friends. I have never seen so much drama until you started posting everything you do online about beacon. Please stop posting everytime you go there. Not everbody needs to know how to traverse grassy ledges.

Bill, I dont think we should add slings to the tree because. It shows people "hey there is a rap station here". You are going to get a hell of a lot more climber rapping from the tree with sling than ever before. Its encouraging climbers to rap. If you do nothing then you might get the occational climber rapping either on webbing they leave or directly from the tree. It will be alot less impact than fixed webbing inviting everbody to rap from there. A sign on the trail sign by Young warriors will do just fine. Every climber that comes down the train will see it. As far a gravel and soil on the ledge, I think it is funny how some people tryed so hard before the rock opened to sweep off ledges ( thank you by the way for doing that ) so we would not get as much crap coming down on us, and now people want to haul it back up to save a tree, just so we get showered on. On the most popular route out there. That seems alittle redundant. "If it aint broke, dont fix it"

Please do not do anything with the tree, no dirt, no slings, nothing, a sign posted saying please do not rap off of the tree on tree ledge on the kiosk or online is about all we can do. This is a unsafe place to rapell. In ten years of climbing there, everytime I have run across slings on the tree, I cut them off and will continue to do so. It might be morbid but if someone wants to rap on the tree and the tree goes bye bye, then its their time, they should know better. People who have the skills to lead up the that ledge should have the skills to recognize that this tree is on its last leg, either top out to the next rap station or go over to the Youngwariors anchor or dont go climbing. And please never put a bolt anchor on this ledge. It is a gear anchor.