Kimmo

proof that you can vaccinate your kids, and still be a moron. Yayyyyyy!

thimerosal content in vaccines used today: mercury and my understanding is that more thimerosal containing vaccines are used in developing countries. by the way, i'm not necessarily condemning this, just trying to get the facts straight.

and since you can do that, iv administered aluminum is ok? that's some powerful reasonin' there, brother.

i heard it once said.... any fool can get a job; it takes a smart man to live without one.

i am in politics. everyone is. and yes, basterson is much better.

i'm bored too. but to answer your question: i have never rejected the SM outright; that's just silly. my acceptance of it is simply conditional. it doesn't have the capacity to reach beyond itself, so to speak. i'm not saying it's inherently flawed, like nietzsche perhaps did, just that it's limited to time and place; specifically, rhyme and space.

i have no idea if it matters or not! i was just curious, since he was so curious. sheesh. can't a person ask a question around here? and if he was "educated on the subject", he would probably know already, right? and not be asking me. plus, i think to varying degrees, we are all "scientists" inherently: hypothesize, see results, accept or reject. at the infant stage we don't conceptualize our hypothesis in formal terms, but that doesn't matter; it's still happening. so to answer my own question: yes basterson is a scientist, even if he doesn't act like one.

DTP (diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine) DTaP (diphtheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis vaccine) Some but not all Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b) conjugate vaccines Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine Hepatitis B vaccines All combination DTaP, Tdap, Hib, or Hepatitis B vaccines Hepatitis A vaccines Human Papillomavirus vaccine Anthrax vaccine Rabies vaccine these contain aluminum salts. some above are obviously not commonly administered. Polio Virus (IPV) vaccine, MMR vaccine, and varicella vaccine do not contain aluminum salts. my apologies for the lack of research on my part; my memory falters (is there a vaccine for this yet? preferably one that doesn't cause autism?).

i have no idea; let's just start out with the facts, and then ascertain their relevance. hib? i couldn't find any. as you probably noticed, my comment regarding the hep a vaccine was "hmmmm...."; that's hardly a strong opinion, yes? with chicken pox and hep b i did not equivocate.

why, are you a scientist?

hmmm not what i found. supposedly it's needed for the efficacy of the vaccine.

hey we're getting somewhere! common ground! a flavor of agreement, not too bitter i hope! yes the level of aluminum as adjuvant PER SINGLE DOSE is within the "safe" levels established by the FDA(?) in i think all vaccinations, but combine these levels into single occurence events and what do you have? a cause for concern, imo. also keep in mind that oral and iv are very different pathways for aluminum to enter the body. so, then space them out, as you said. good idea. and something that i think everyone should do. don't dose your kid up with a bazillion shots in one sitting. and then which shots to get? here is obviously some room for disagreement, and honestly, we personally haven't made up our minds yet. chicken pox certainly not. i think this can be a disservice in the long run. hep b as infant? ridiculous. hep a? hmmm. and then it gets tougher. and herd immunity? of course a valid concept. more than that, a "scientifically proven" reality, if using the "scientific method". i feel better now, since we seem to be getting along so swimmingly!

i don't recall saying that i had any specific problem with the scientific method; i simply noted that there are various arguments surrounding the issue. This sounds like an invocation of the vague yet "well known" problems surrounding evolution. oh my god, you got me! back to the confessional for further instructions.

or are we simply discussing the selfishness of relying on herd mentality err immunity?

what, pray tell, is my position on vaccinations that so infuriates you? is it that i have concerns about aluminum toxicity? concerns about the number of vaccines given at very young ages? potentially unnneccessary vaccines given at all? you seem to be jumping all over the place in your emotionally charged stupor. i don't recall saying that i had any specific problem with the scientific method; i simply noted that there are various arguments surrounding the issue. regarding.....what? the efficacy of vaccinations?

if that were the case, then her child would be safe, since it was immunized. Immunity is not 100%, but really what you seem to be implying is that we should only look out for our own self-interest. If your kid has some candy, I'm totally stealing it. you seem to be drawing your own conclusions here....

Are we talking about disagreements on how to interpret statistical results (probabilities, error boundaries, etc.)? Or do you have some sort of fundamental problem with the scientific method (eg, solipsism)? both, and then some.

it seems to me that you might be best served by going back and reading my posts, since you seem to be lacking in any understanding of my position regarding autism.

if that were the case, then her child would be safe, since it was immunized.

yes, your take. why don't you explain your take? and if you're not good at explaining your take, maybe your understanding is deficient, and needs a little improvement? and if you don't understand something as elemental as people having differing opinions about even the "scientific method" itself, then we might have difficulty having a fruitful exchange. and you seemed like such a nice person!

done that, but didn't have the same take as you. and as far as giving a shit, me too, and that's why we are being so careful with how and when and with what we go about immunizing our child.

how does this work? i'll take a look at your links when i have time; thanks.

hmmm, i'm pretty sure he lied at some point, right? but that wasn't the issue for me; the issue was rob's flippant attitude towards behaviour that causes immense pain in many families. Seriously? How does that relate to politics? see my first post. and doug's, ie party of god and morals and all that shizzle. if instead of being a republican he was a satanist liar, then probably no hypocrisy. again, my comment was directed at what i perceived to be rob's flippancy. and yes politicians are human and make mistakes, and shouldn't necessarily be unelectable or impeached for this. but i do "give a shit" about what they do.

link me towards the huge studies; i'd be interested in looking at them. yeah and "orthodoxy" in seattle is a little different, but the national standard per CDC and AAP is rather daunting, to say the least, and probably different that what your pediatrician recommended. check out their website! PEPS is a parent group of sorts, newbie parents getting together and socializing, talking about challenges, what works, what doesn't, etc etc. been really cool to be a part of for the first 5 months of little bear's life.

hmmm, i'm pretty sure he lied at some point, right? but that wasn't the issue for me; the issue was rob's flippant attitude towards behaviour that causes immense pain in many families.