Kimmo

inner city? sheeit, i just got me 4 tacos de carne asada and a 1/5th of ninkasi in the south end, and didn't see any fat people. what gives?

y'alls still at it over here? makin' progress?

do you reallllyyyy think it's as simple as all that? perhaps your humor is so well-developed that it has multiple levels of irony and sarcasm that a non-mathematician simply can't keep up?

where are you located?

required viewing, for those who actually care about the issue beyond moralistic knee-jerkism.

actually, i'm arguing that it's not their "fault". this sophomoric morality shit is driving me nuts.

will be one day, inshallah.

you live in a very simple world for which god blesses your soul with the gift of happiness amen.

hey, we all got a little elementary school one-upmanship in us, even in our fifties.

yeah you kinda got that redneck hippy flava all over ya. but you got good street-cred though. like whoa, lookatalla the drugs i've done, boy!

oh look, it's the upper degree holder chiming in on ayahuasca. please go on.

zing. are you this annoying in real-life? and do you know ANYTHING about the substances he (ignorantly) speaks of?

that one effed me, and the motorcycle drop off the building.

Bad ass.

interesting notion of spirituality you have. almost religious!

of course i don't know. i just have an opinion based on my limited info. not sure about the inconsistency you speak of. i think "best rider" is usually pretty clear: the one who does well in both the mountains and the ITT. and using those criteria, Lance absolutely demolished the field most years. now it's contador's turn.

again, don't know what you're going on about. can't recall anyone saying "he's allowed to cheat". it's a game, everyone involved plays it, deal with it bob. or better yet, whine about it on the internet. hey dickhead!! lasT time i checked YOU were a human....you know , those things that are here to learn and mature...!! a bb can work for you if youre listening.... you make way more sense when you follow the advice of your autosig. in other words, can you follow it, please?

breaking news: Lance Armstrong denies using PED's! omg he should just admit to it haha!

again, don't know what you're going on about. can't recall anyone saying "he's allowed to cheat". it's a game, everyone involved plays it, deal with it bob. or better yet, whine about it on the internet.

everyone at a certain level does "cheat". as hamilton said: "i saw guys that weren't as good as me starting to beat me, so i felt i had to take the enhancers." (loose translation.) someone i know rode professionally in europe for a few years. he said that the best young riders were asked if they had doped. the ones that said no were chosen, because they had the best chance to excel professionally once they started doping. it's kind of a silly game at this point. it's still the case that the best riders will win, the ones that train the hardest try the hardest etc., but they need to dope to win.

and that's why he won. not cuz he out-worked out-trained out-planned (and yes out-foxed) everyone. jesus, you should learn about cycling.

Cause he's so goddamn self-righteous and smarmy about it. Can't he just be cool, instead of acting like a dickhead all the time? not quite sure what you're going on about, not even sure what "it" is referencing above. shit, the dude won the tour 7 times in a row, doing the same damn cheating as everyone else, absolute heart of a lion, trained like a maniac, and has raised what, hundreds of millions for cancer research and treatment. what do you do? sit around and spray about his shortcomings on an internet bb. enough said.

the real question should be: can contador win 10 tours.

can't say i really understand all the hate directed at armstrong. just like any tour rider, he simply wouldn't have been a tour rider in the first place without doping. it's just the reality now. and further, even though you still have to be the best of the best athlete to succeed even with the doping, you have to be good at diguising it, so the tour is really about being the best rider, with the best team, with the best doping schemes. Has Lemond admitted? Indurain? Hinault? etc. etc. the reason these americans are coming out seems to be 1. they don't have much to lose anymore and 2. they risk criminal charges if caught lying.

but: certainly an aspect worth considering is how "responsible" REI feels over the situation. if you sold products manufactured by others, can you honestly honestly say you would accept any and all manufacturing defects by said company? I personally cannot say I would. Couple that with the existing legal/insurance structure, which has been at least tangentially addressed by mattp and jayb's post (worth reading the original thread), and all of a sudden you have a situation that is definitely more complicated than anything addressable by a sense of outrage (no matter how justifiable and understandable).