Well, thanks for the great info guys. I am new to cascadeclimbers, and it really seems like a great resource and a great community. That 10th pitch triangle ledge... how big is it? also, I don't really mind the jumar, so how big is the 8th pitch rappel ledge? Does the opportunity exist to back up the 1/4s with some pro exist? I'll probably have 2 in my party, and I want to find somewhere we can actually sleep. Thanks again guys.