Freakin' Fossil-Rockin'!!! THis rulez! in Rock Climbing Forum Posted December 15, 2003 lancegranite said: Attention: If you have stubbornly refused to adapt to the new climbing world, It's true, things are not as hard as they once were. Everyone climbs 5.11a. Most can climb a 12a... A lot of people that I know have climbed 13a... Among the folks that I climb with, 4 have climbed 14a... Me?... 5.9+ baby! "Everyone climbs 5.11a".....whatever. It's like Chouinard says. "Back then I couldn't do 5.11 but I could do a one-arm pullup. Now, I can get up 5.11a but I can't do a one-arm." Grades are soft, bolts have demystified 5.11. Your average sport climber is still in over his head on old-school 5.11, and that's the bottom line.