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Nice, Pete. Was thinking of you as I was postholing down the Emmons, wishing I was on skis too.

Well, in the past two days he's given his age as anything from 35 to 45, and once upon being told he was 42, responded, "That's old." re. sarcasm he was feeling pretty nauseous last night and the nurse was telling him to just go to sleep and let the meds she gave him take effect. A minute later he just bellowed "HELP!" and she asked, "Is that what you do when you take a nap, yell for help?" and he replied, "Yeah, usually." heh.

I just got off the phone with Mark M. and they have taken Kurt's breathing tube out, he's able to sit up and is reacting to people and attempting to talk although he is evidently not very coherent. So this is all very good news. He's still got a long way to go but compared to yesterday this news is very heartening. I don't care for icons much but Kellie

Yes, Kurt was injured yesterday and is in Harborview ICU. I don't really want to post details now, especially as I don't know if I would get them right, but crazyjz and I will be going to see him this afternoon. Say a prayer for him if you do that sort of thing.

Paulina, yes, that's the right place, the one downtown in Post Alley. See you there. Chuck, my hotness/burliness is questionable but Paulina has a sexy accent.

ok, so anyone *except* Sky show up!

You'll have to decide that for yourself.

Owl and Thistle? A friend of mine is in town for a few months and looking for climbing partners; come out and meet her!

I did, I read that part where you said there should be "no more than three people per route." And um, speaking of reading comprehension, how do you get 26 people on one ROUTE out of 14 on the North Twin and 12 on the South Twin? Aren't those two separate mountains? And I always thought N Twin was a walk-up anyway, is it actually a "route," like there's only one way to go? Anyway, I'm not a fan of large groups either; I can't remember the last time I climbed with more than two other people, but hey, the people who like going out in big groups pay for public lands just like I do and I have trouble making the argument that they don't have the right to enjoy the land in their way because it might interfere with me enjoying it in my way. I admit I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here (and trolling Mike a little), but I read Guy and Laura Waterman's "Wilderness Ethics" a while back, and while it was interesting and definitely worth the read, I was kind of bothered by what I saw as their underlying assumption everyone else is somehow morally obligated to play by the rules of the people who want the most primitive experience. I don't like rules much and I'm not interested in making more even if they benefit me. Sure if I had my way all the national parks would look like North Cascades Nat'l Park, no visitor center, no RV hookups, no nature walks, none of that shit. But the people who love all that stuff pay their taxes too, soo...what about their rights? I don't think there's any simple answer. Sorry about the drift... Besides Mike I've seen you in action, I put my money on you to out-obnoxious any large group you want any day of the week, no contest. In fact that would be worth watching.

So, Layton, if you walked up to...say...the NE Ridge of Bugaboo Spire, and there were more than three people on the route, you'd get pissed off and go home?

If what you want is OMG-blow-your-hair-back awesome climbing I'd say go to the Winds. Wolf's Head is indeed super fun and there are endless beautiful lines there. Watch out for the afternoon thunderstorms though; they might blow your hair back for real.

Vedauwoo!!

Nice writeup, Sky. Thanks. Good call on the weather; we headed for the good forecast and got rained out.

Plus we got drunk (or was it just me?) and I taunted Kurt about his mom. It was extreme, bro. Actually the most extreme thing was how extremely bad my car smelled for a full week after that trip. ew.

AlpineK and I did it yesterday after getting the smackdown in the Pickets and there were no bugs at all. Lots of rotten snow for the surprise posthole effect, though. Also some snow on the upper pitches, which made for some spicy moves in rock shoes.

Nice job, dude! But I think you should really include the crazy and funny stories.

Yo Ross, you hear that? You should NOT be leading 5.11 gear routes, dude, you should STILL BE FOLLOWING!! Come down from there right now!

Note that when Jens says "late," he means "after 3 am."

Found a partner, thanks all.

Anybody interested? I could leave Seattle about 10:30 am. pm me. kellie

Jens, the guy at Ballard Muffler treated me right. In fact I'm going back now that the down pipe separated from the catalytic converter over in City of Rocks. That was a long, loud drive home.

Aw c'mon DH give the guy a break. He's a novice and he lives in Louisiana. Easy is a relative term.

wow, I gotta say cc.com is the last place in the world I would have expected anyone to quote Jonathan Edwards. nice. Stephen, just glad we could help.

Rescues take for freakin' ever unless the rescuers happen to be on scene when the accident happens, and even then.... Brook, the guy Saturday took a fall onto his hip, was moving around, completely coherent, said the pain was localized in his lower outside hip. His feeling was that he might have had a small femur fracture, but we're not talking about a full-on break. We did stabilize his leg as much as possible with a foam pad out of the pack his belayer was carrying before rapping ensued. He rapped under his own power. Don't know what the outcome was exactly though, since he and his partner drove off in their car to the medical clinic.

Looks beyootiful. Nice job! Now I *really* wish I'd gone in there on Sunday.