I completely understand both sides of the argument. They are permanent, they aren't that great for the rock, and they aren't the most attractive things. BUT they do open up many possibilities for climbing.
Dwayner: "Having clipped bolts doesn't eliminate anyone from participating in the debate. This ain't about personal hypocrisy or saintliness. Much of it has to do with an environmental ethic. If you are aware of the issues, then you will understand the complaints, whether you agree with them or not."
If you clip bolts, then don't say they shouldn't be there because you are using them. That's all I want to say dwayner, I'm not trying to pu you down or say you're wrong. This issue though gets brought up by too many people who use bolts all the time.
The less impact on nature the better, but we have to be realistic also. Good arguments also dwayner, points well taken.