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Oh, Jenny Jenny Great old song Offwhite, but you are showing your age.

ChrisT: Get two chill pills one for you and one for him. Then take them both. I have sons 16 and 14. There isn't much you can do cause they all go through this phase. My 16 year old may be just emerging from it, and we'll see about the14 year old. What I have learned is you just have to wait them out. They'll get over it and develop some focus but there isn't much you can do about it. Its hard but it isn't your problem. They gotta figure out what they are all about. Send him up to Hood for snowboard camp, tie him up and lock him up in a closet or just let him hang with friends. He has got to do this himself. Meanwhile go climbing yourself.

Timberline ripped up the south side climbers track and a bunch of fun cornices to build the Superpark. They were real azzez about it too. The cat drivers tried to tell us climbers that we couldn't walk through there. I said "kiss my azz and oh by the way I think I'll ask the Forest Service if you are outside of the approved resort boundaries. "

BD came through with a new handle for my D9 shovel that my son broke while wanking a snowboard jump. No questions just a new handle in the mail at no charge. BD

Damn thread drift. There was a serious poll being conducted here. The question wasn't what is your preference but what percentages hae you observed during your adventures. Mine would be 97% wild and wooly, 2% carefully trimmed and closely clipped, 1% partially waxed clean. Never ran into a clearcut, if I did it would be good clean fun. Waxing s.

Nanga Parbat pilgrimage by Herman Buhl.

MSNBC.com had a interview with him yesterday. He said he torqued his arm until he broke the ulna and radius then ripped the skin as best he could with the dull multipurpose tool he had. He had used the tool for several days to try to extract his hand by whitting away at the rock, thereby dulling the knifeblade to the point where he couldn't even pierce the skin. He gave a great interview and was very matter of fact and composed. He is tough and icy.

Chris I think our sons were cloned or they both go by the Prairie High School dress code. They could be twins except I doubt mine would let me take a picture of him .

Green Mountains, White Mountains, Adirondacks all have interesting activities for the outdoor inclined. You can find frozen waterfall climbs, granite (not rotten volcanic stuff), some alpine (limited) climbs, and good skiing.

Call them and ask. I busted the handle of a 3 or 4 year old avy shovel and called them today. They said no problem we'll replace it. I don't think they'll give you any lip about replacing the clip on the ice screw.

fulcrum--the most primative of the simple tools

Only if you like rain and wind or are staying inside. I'm in Newport this week and it is wet and windy. Think I'll go to the bar.

-45C and 115 km/h winds!!!

Trask, glad to see you back to your old self. Vegetable-- go smoke some.......... Glen asked a question and I answered with a way to trash the offender. We are slipping into Spray land so chill and have a

Bite me. The Other stuff section of the Gallery is for non-climbing photos.

Log their IP address and complain to the ISP. Or post it up on the web and let everyone start their own attack.

Come on Trask and Greg, don't disappoint me. You guys are strangely quite. It must be bad in Uber Repugnican Buchanan is the Prez. Or do you think that old Buchanan is still pizzed that he ain't Prez?

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zapped him for a cool $500,000, he said it was an expensive misunderstanding. I'll say

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A business trip takes me to New Zealand next December (2003). I would like to see if I could hook up on a Mt. Cook climb. Anyone know of any climbs scheduled for next December, have climbing contacts in NZ or have suggestions on making climbing contacts in NZ? Thanks.