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Apologies to Off_White for a minor detour here. Sure its a great area, I was fortunate enough to be a ranger here in the mid 80's [ before any routes besides a couple]. Had the place to myself and hence got to pick some plums [ not the hueco routes, those came after I left and I only looked at them with a futuristic whim ] Some great History and fun stories came out of here, mebbe I'll post an anecdote or 2.

DFA, what sport routes did ya do in Kolob? Im just curious which ones ya did? I assume ya did the Hueco routes but did ya do any others?

speaking of index flavor...since I have been absent from the NW "scene" for the last 10 years...umm is fred or larry still floating around?

Checked out some SS crags near Black Diamond. Wow the green on the hills and the vistas were very refreshing! Tons of Humingbirds. OH yeah some cool featured rock too.

Eiger Sanction Cliffhanger El Capitan (by Glen Denny) On the Rocks

Doh, my bad. I saw and focussed on the WEST of the summit. Not the south. Just did the silver peak loop via Twin Lakes last week and dont remember seeing any rock BUT I'll be back up there this weekend on the way over to Thorp so ill scan more intently. Again, sorry for the mis info

Sportclimbing is neither...period.

Pfft!

You talking about Denny Mtn? I know there is a gully on its West face that is a major mineral site ( Rockhound Gulch) but that is accessed via the Melakwa Lake Trail, you stay right of the creek at the second crossing. One could access the ridge via that gully but its pretty chossy. Mineral wise its really a cool area, a skarn zone where igneous rock has intruded a limestone bed. The contact zone has created a phenomenal zone full of Quartz Crystals, Pyrite, Garnet, Epidote, and a myriad of other minerals in "Vugs" ( pockets) within contact zone. LOL Im sure you really dont care but its still geologically a neat area.

Bravo!

Hey E-Rock dont blame me for the poor spelling/grammar. That was taken from a direct quote about me from Michael_Layton. (I respect his perceptive qualities immensely!) (message shortened for brevity)

the above image instantly marginalizes any comments you make on the matter LOL, I was trying to blend, the hardened climber persona with the gentle hiker persona, thus solidifying my stance as an individual of diverse perspectives. I guess THAT didnt work

Hiking actually is cool I routinely put in 18 to 27 mile days. Phenomenal conditioner if you toss in good elevation gain and a six pack of Obsidian Stout at the end! I will be the Jimmy Carter in this dispute:)

wow those look cool! Sounds like they might be smooth and sweet. Flyn brian showed me his 2 aider trick but I am still a gumby with 3.

Kanasket, WA/Green River Semi-Urban, 50-100' leads and Top-rope routes, glueup and carved on concrete pillars on the Green River. 5.10 to 5.12. Access concerns: I havent been here in 7 years but good sources tell me peeps still climb here. You still need to respect BNRR postings, local property owners, and trucks full of rednecks toting guns. GPS Data: 47,18.916/121,53.316

Common courtesy should be the norm. I, as a cyclist, fully respect others and do my best to minimize my disruption of others daily flow. Thank me for also not using gasoline and leaving it for you to blow on your jetskis and three wheelers. Ok, I gotta go, so many trees to hug, so little time!

The human Bladder is composed of transitional epithelium, one of the only "skin"/tissue cells that will shrink and expand according to need. Thankfully

I have seen too many bad bolt jobs in pristine locales. Bolting next to gear is one thing but bolting a formation just to do it is bunk, especially if you do a sloppy ass job. Theres this 30 foot flake/arch deal in the Kolob section of Zion, the first bit is rotting flake to a neat looking arch on bright orange rock with black streaks. A physically beautiful formation...some dolt needed to climb it and now this section is affixed with studs, wires, a drilled angle and rotting slings. Looks like crap. Granted, its a "route" but it might go naturally or it might not, depending on the individual. Have the balls and do it right in the first place is my feeling.

Heya! Lol I guess I am an arrogant idiot . But a darn nice one . Your points are well taken and I like my new title as well! But yeah the lethal descents aspect of Red Rocks routes makes them fairly serious undertakings w/o the proper beta. I guess I am just a closet misanthrope that chooses to come out periodically. LOL be safe and have fun!

The Very first Bjornstad Guide "Desert Rock" was and is the best. Cool pics, routes, and best of all, local anecdotes, history and geology and environmental information ( cryptobiotic soil, flora, and climbing impact). His subsequent volumes tend to lack the historical aspect and alas, some of the mystique of the first single volume.

Actually, having just moved from Red Rocks I must say the Red Rocks guide dosent suck ( as a local I found that many visiting climbers tended to whine alot about being lost or the inconveinience of having to actually use their heads to find a crag ), cest la vie. I must say tho that these were generally the sport climbing crowd. The long routes in the canyons got a much hipper crowd. The best guidebooks, have the least amount of "mommas boy" data ie; Detailed topos, locator pics, GPS waypoints, the word dude, and etc. As far as I am concerned, basic route info, general directions, light beta and a HEFTY dose of history would be sufficient. Too many people consider/expect "The Guidebook" to be the ultimate reference, to hold their hands as they walk from route to route. Dont get me wrong, I have a huge collection of guidebooks in my library but the excitement of adventure and discovery should still be a BIG part of outing. I dont need a running beta to have fun. Best guide book IMHO: Paul Pianas, Black Hills Needles guide ( it has good info and a buttload of history and cool pics) Worst guidebook: Any sport climbing guide. ( although I must admit the generic quality tends to require more delineation ) Anyhow, the ultimate goal is fun and each of us perceives and achieves that in their own way.

The meal scene in the Glen Denny movie El Capitan ( complete with pins and canned tuna ), and the waking up shots of Lito Tejada-Flores I think rank right up there into "uber cult-status" dirtbagging. Actually the whole frigging movie is the epitome of uber dirt-bagging. Awesome flick!! )

I seem to remember a fateful day a couple of parties ahead of the final party on Princely Ambitions...I always popped a cam in behind that big flake/block. Whoosh. Time is a great equalizer.

Slabs are not cutting edge?

Dru seems to have a pretty decent taste in tunes... beats all that "pop hop" stuff all the kids are listeneing to. My 2c add: Inlakesh , Infected Mushroom , and FSOL But again, WTF do I know muahaha