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That would be an original "Quickie".

Cable, clamps, Star Dryvin's in the Kolob Canyons, Zion.

Absolutely not OW , like Gene said about internet anonymity, its all different in person. I am sure few here are anti environment, it's our sports livelyhood. Clowns and Dwarves do get a bit old, but the spirit of the idea is key and at least he keeps the awareness alive. The ignore function is a handy tool if that kind of stuff annoys. It's a gut level thing in some ways and I see more and more people littering and despoiling my area so I get defensive on the topic. Thanks for letting me voice and be part of the community, its a delicate resource and with all the folks getting into it, more awareness is key.

Well put points, I can count on at least Gene and Bill for sensible, respectful comments. I concur on all of your points, however I typically see both sides and that is probably my weakness. Keeping verbosity to the minimum. Cheers!

LOL sorry to edit it Gene but I felt I was too verbose. Ya some aspects get old but so does the "bouldering/gym hive mind as well. I guess its just a balance that seems hard to make in this day and age. My feelings would be less me and more environment/access/respect. A lot of newer folks do have this but lack the depth of experience to make a really true assessment. I just think "extreme" views like Dawgs are really normal, but in our skewed world, seem not. I still favor the experience over pure numbers. /shrugs but thats me eh

I respect Dawgs views and thank him for being committed to core values. He's a good chap. I'm not trying to be some crotchety old timer, but it seems that shitting on Raindawg is more important you you all than the actual issue and it really ruins the flow of the site and posts. just sayin'

Not sure if you are trying to be funny KirkW, but really your assumptions and comments seem really inappropriate, rude, and pointless to the question posted in the thread. This is not spray.

No it wasn't. But I got some observations. 1) I watched the video..it was disturbing several different ways. The "draw-poaching" guy wasn't straight forward, panicked, and spouted out a bunch of nonsense about worn 'biners and such. He should have just 'fessed up that he was collecting booty from seemingly abandoned gear. 2) the people who confronted this guy were extremely condescending (talking to this guy as if he was 5 years old) and justifying their leaving of gear because it was a big, bad, "5.14" or whatever. Well, another prespective would say that if you left your gear, and a guy could easily aid-climb it with a stick-clip because the bolts were so close together, then basically the so-called "5.14 climbers" were in the process of siege-climbing a route way over their heads. So maybe they should have left a sign at the base that said "Do Not Disturb, Siege Climb In Progress". On the other hand, I think it's inappropriate to take things that don't belong to you when there is a grey area, that is, the possibility that someone might actually be coming back for their abandoned gear, fixed rope, etc. But I would be tempted to clean the left-behind debris and leave the draws clipped several bolts off the ground, or leave it with the rangers who might have their own opinion about such a dubious practice. You so 5.14 tough? Have some respect and pull your gear when you're done playing for the day. You don't own the public space and you don't have a right to dominate it until you feel you're "finished with it". You got "the moves"? It shouldn't be a problem now, should it! And all of you violence-spouting "tough guys" talking 'bout punching the dude out and such....go back into your savage caves cuz reality says, indignant or not, you gonna do jail time if you act-out like a thug. Guaranteed! You think the judge cares about your special "project" on public land????

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looks like the HD version may have been going for $99 at Costco? They aren't selling it on their website anymore, though they did. Probably an in-store stock may vary type deal now. I looked it up when I was there and it was not the HD version. FYI

Awesome, thank you!

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Classic!

Me on Wheat Chex, Checkerboard Mesa, Zion - 1985

Now your talking!!

Marylou would know.

Absolutely the truth, thanks guys for an amazing and multifaceted resource.

Edgeworks has a nice selection of weights and cardio equipment as well a nice full climbing gym set up. Vertical World has some free weights but mostly just awesome bouldering. I would def stop in each and assess how they fit your needs. The local YMCA system is pretty awesome but their climbing walls are definitely lacking. Edgeworks Tacoma Vertical World Tacoma YMCA