justplanecrazy

Have another trip planned, what's worth hitting and what's not? With my current belly size, I'm a 5.10 sporto and a 5.9/10 traddy.

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Are they big enough to stitch into underwear?? Cause that'd be hot!!! Could start a new trend call it padigonaria

1 Logging workers 92.4 85 2 Aircraft pilots 92.4 109 3 Fishers and fishing workers 86.4 38 4 Structural iron and steel workers 47.0 31 5 Refuse and recyclable material collectors 43.2 35 6 Farmers and ranchers 37.5 307 7 Roofers 34.9 94 8 Electrical power line installers/repairers 30.0 36 9 Driver/sales workers and truck drivers 27.6 905 10 Taxi drivers and chauffeurs 24.2 67 So according to the stats that you guys posted 24.2 of 100,000 people die driving taxi/chauffering, and 37.5 die farming/ranching, and 43.2 die collecting refuse and recyclables. So driving taxi for 8 hours is just about as dangerous as driving tractor and I've never heard a cabi or a dump truck driver touting how dangerous their job is. OK, two things. First, discussions on this board can literally begin with any given topic and end on something completely unrelated. Second, shut up, nobody reads your posts anyway. Uh, you just read my post and replied to it... thanks for coming out Retard.

Farmers exagerate everything into an extreme negative. I had a good laugh at one comedian talking about how you never hear a farmer on the news saying that he had a really great crop this year and will be buying a couple more million dollar tractors. You're touting farming as one of the most dangerous professions??? More people die at the recycling depot!!! If you had one of them talk about how dangerous their job is you'd laugh. In fact its only slightly higher than a taxi cab/chauffer, so an 8 hour drive to and from the farm is almost as likely to kill you as driving your tractor around the field for 8 hours.

How did we go from heli approaches to farming?? You never did reply to that article on the Ozone: http://www.junkscience.com/Ozone/ozone_seasonal.htm#Addendum

You didn't just say that farming is one of the deadliest professions... did you?

Well it's a damn good thing we turned the heat on then cause it's going to get chilly. How do they figure we should be cooling now in year 2007 vs. year 750 when the ice age was millions of years ago give or take a few million? Believe what you may, anything with this many politicians surrounding it stinks of cover up. Take a read at this: http://www.junkscience.com/Ozone/ozone_seasonal.htm#Addendum Some food for thought. Now this is just humerous: Screw cutting down factory emmissions, just get the queen to tour the ranch's of the world and teach those cows some manners.

Are you refering to global warming as being soley caused by us?? If so I'd like to remind you that the ice has been slowly vanishing and the earth warming since the end of the last ice age, and last I checked, there were no green house gas emmisions back then. I have no doubt that we may be contributing to it but I also don't have such illusions of grandeur that we are the sole cause of it. I don't know if you remember David Suzuki's last rant about the ozone layer depleting caused soley by us and methane produced from cow shit. Well the reason he's not ranting about it anymore is because the ozone somehow replenished itself and that big hole is vanishing. According to the EPA report, the ozone layer has not grown thinner over most of the world since 1998, and the Antarctic ozone level is projected to return to pre-1980 levels between 2060 and 2075. Of course they are crediting this soley to programs that reduced emissions over the last 20 years, or did they??? Do your part to cut back on pollution but try to keep your head out of the politicians and very vocal scientist's asses. The only way for them to benefit from natural change, is to make the population believe that it can be controlled by them. Would Gore's movie be such a hit if he claimed the change was natural and beyond our control? Just take a look at how many billions of dollars are focused at climate change over the next few years... kinda like the last wave of save the ozone funding. We control a very small portion of the levers. The rest is controlled by that little thing called the universe and it is ever changing well beyond our control. Don't be complacent about the environment but be critical of media hype and try and think for yourself.

Since you're refering to my previous post, I'll answer your question. BTW, 2 out of the three main sources of I mentioned previously happen to be commuting and home energy usage: not industry. In the past 5 years I've installed an energy efficient refrigerator, dishwasher, furnace, on demand water heater, switched to compact flourescents, timed low volume irrigation, an organic garden, cancelled my yard waste and do full composting, started riding a motor cycle, and stopped commuting. My home energy consumption is now 20% of other similar households in my area (our utilities provide this statistic). So...what have YOU done, heli-boy? Good on you, my post was directed at those that continue to use heli's for an added convenience without second thought. I've done what I can, living in a condo that is energy efficient unlike 3,000sq' houses, flourescent bulbs, good fuel mileage vehicles, riding pedal bike to work, wearing underwear multi days, and using energy efficient restaurant kitchens. The last two may be due to my bachelor tendencies. Most importantly reducing my gas consumption by 50% by not using helis on uneeded approaches.

I acutally laughed when I read this- that's the whole point. You don't have to go to Pakistan, Nepal, and Patagonia. I think if you boil this down you get the point that climbing is at it's root a selfish activity. I don't see this as being particularly damming- selfishness is the primary motivator for most of us. We want to have fun, we want things to be convenient. I'm not different, I'll hop a plane or a helicopter to get to a destination I'm interested in. But I think it's valid when someone asks me to think about the impact I'm having. Why do some of you get so bent out of shape? That's the key right there. Now that we're talking about industry and how they can save the environment, we're all being very professional and cooperative. The moment you point your finger at someone's obviously needless fuel consumption, then it's personal and many people take offence. Saving the world is great as long as I don't have to change anything I'm already doing.

wfinley ya I agree that converting all cars to biodiesel would do more harm then good. I was refering to the few hippies running around using the oil already available with no extra production. As far as ethanol blends, I wasn't aware of the conflicting reports. I thought they had determined it to be far less harmful to the environment then the mess in the north we call the oil sands. Sure the pumps are probably the best case scenario but they're running dry in the near future.

Now I know you are a retard I might have just come to the same conclusion... Corn fields are freaking huge. You could probably put a corn field AROUND an oil well. Also consider fertilizer, herbicides, pesticides... farms create a lot of pollution. Canada gets the majority of its oil from the oil sands... see pictures previous page. It takes two tons of oil sand to get one 42 gallon barrel of oil and uses an enormous amount of energy to make the conversion. How a cornfield is more destructive that that, is beyond me.

This vs. This please explain... after all I am retarted.

I don't think biodiesel is significantly more emmission friendly but it definately is enviro friendly. Its already produced and being thrown away, if you're talking about using french fry oil. whereas diesel is just pulling more oil out of massive oil patch. Corn fields are a lot less intrusive then oil patches as well.

I stand corrected, but the point is the chopper isn't neccessary whereas the car is. Sorry to hear about your girlfriends balls.

Avitripp will appreciate this... are you a scientist??

An AStar in one hour can go 200km or more. So that's 1 km per liter . Now a big pickup truck gets about 6 km per liter and a loaded Subaru gets about 12 km per liter. So in terms of efficiency, you spend 12 hours driving 1000km to Robson, 1/2 hour flying in - which one burned more fuel in total? Oh yeah good job driving at 0.5 km/h too hahhahaha... thanks for coming out. Let me do your math for you. 12 hours of driving to Robson from Vancouver, it's only 660km's??? So 660 km's in a car would use about 55 liters of fuel. To shuttle a car load of people into Robson isn't 1/2 hour heli flight, They have to bring the chopper in from Jasper and then shuttle you in, so it's a 1.5 - 2 hour round trip, even though you're only in the chopper for 1/2 hour. It burns about 200 liters per hour so it'd be 300-400 liters or 7 times the fuel you burned driving all day from Vancouver to Robson. If you used a B212 it'd be around 14 times the fuel. Choppers burn a ton of fuel, people don't realise this. Avitipp I'm not a scientist and I can't provide you with a new profound thesis and I'm having a really hard time following your psychosis. Fortunately for you there are many out there that can and have provided hard scientific data about emissions. If you're arguing that burning fuel doesn't harm the enviroment, then maybe you should read some of their studies. Taking a run in China is a simple way for someone of limited intelligence, to discover the effects of fuel burn, that is why I suggested you to do that. If you want scientific method then pull out a book, I'm not a scientist. Yes I'll use a chopper when logical but to save a day or two on approach is not a logical use and using it to avoid the technical difficulties of a climb is just pathetic. Choppers are a neccesary evil for some trips. You can still climb Robson without taking a chopper to the dome, you just need two more days and some climbing ability to do it. You can't climb Robson by hiking from Vancouver, unless you want to dedicate a year to it.

So then why defend the gumbys that bypass everything by taking a bird to the dome?

Sorry Feck, my world doesn't revolve around my popularity on internet forums. In fact, I'm more concerned about getting on my next climb then sitting in front of a computer telling people like you how accomplished I am through a TR. I only come here to see what's new in the NW that I might have missed and post on even rarer occasions. It doesn't take long for the internet climbers to drive me nuts hence the 30 posts to your 7,000. I imagine the reason you are so vocal against my posts is you're one of the fecktards that was guided to the top of Robson after landing at the dome, but then you would have wrote a TR about it. Those trips where you saved 2 days of approach by using a heli are pathetic. Man up and try doing a full climb for once. Well I'm done here, time to go climbing. Enjoy sitting in front of your computer writing about the one climb you did this year so the whole world can see what a truly amazing hardcore climber you are... by the way your only TR about hiking to the mailbox... hardcore. I'm surprised you never used a heli for the approach. Now I see what you mean by, "quit yammering and post some trip reports of all the rad stuff you've done." Stupid finger climber, try ascending something other than your keyboard, then we can talk. Yes the name mean's I'm crazy about planes (like I mentioned in the beginning I fly them) and it is also a play on words to mean I'm also crazy. I know it's a lot to grasp. I should really change it to something like "Feck" or "Shite" or "Itch" so someone like you can comprehend it. Oh and fenderfour, the "fuck you" comment was made as a joke to show how ridiculous everyone else was being. Some guy raises a few concerns about the enviro and he gets told to "fuck off" by Feck and "fuck you" by gspotter, no words of wisdom or rebuttal just "fuck you"... brilliant.

Sorry Angry Frog, I didn't realise, that you were a fat poser. I just thought that you were lazy Frenchie. I shouldn't have ridiculed against you either way, it's obvious you need emotional support. Honestly if you can't see the changes happening to our routes and climate, you're retarded. I used to trip out to Glacier National Park in Roger's pass annually. The pictures from 20 years ago are shocking. It'll only be a few more years until the Glacier isn't even visible from the road. Whether or not my car causes that is debateable, but the world is changing for the worse and we really need to start changing how we live. You can't pull a fish out of the sea and not find lead in it, there are virtually no water sources without pollutants in it, almost all species of animals have been affected by population growth. Go take a run in China and then come back here and try and tell me with a straight face that we can continue to do what we're doing with no worries. The world is changing, use birth control and don't fly choppers to the dome!!!

I guess you don't climb much alpine ice. Snowladder is no longer climbeable as an ice climb except in early and late season, Athabasca N Face is quickly dissapearing, The Lyells have become a difficult choss pile rather than an easy ice ridge and Robson is changing quickly. Whistler is nearing an end and the glaciers have receded so quickly in Europe that they are predicting they'll have completely vanish this century. I'm a bit of a critic when it comes to us being the sole reason for the climate change... a little thing called the ice age ending before cars, seems to contradict that we did this, but I also know that heli's put enormous amounts of pollutants in the air. Whether that just makes the air more polluted or if it also contributes to warming, I really don't care. Either way, I'll do the one day approach and continue to make fun of the pussy, city slickers that love to land next to a summit and claim to have climbed something.

Dirtbag, don't mind the assholes on here. There are a few ignorant, arrogant, stupid, f*ckn*t pricks on here and apparently it's contagious and spreading rapidly. I agree with you, especially for those remote climbs where the only real difficulty is the approach. I love it when some rich bastard flys in and starts down playing the climb and critisizing the guys that sweated it in and said it was a tough ascent. I don't have a real problem with snowmobiles being used for an approach as the amount of fuel they burn is unnoticable. I do have an issue with helicopters being used, especially on Robson. I don't know why guides feel it is an acceptable practice to run richy riches up and down from the Dome. You just bipassed the only real difficulties of the climb, so why not go climb the Presidents or Mt. Baker, if you are unable to do the full climb. It's kinda like getting choppered to the meadows on Devil's Tower cause the climb to the meadows is too difficult and you want to say you climbed it. Not only did they just cheat the climb, they also burned about two hours worth of fuel to get the chopper from Jasper and back using about 6 months worth of fuel for the average car on one trip. 6 months fuel and it's only a 1-2 day approach on foot. If it's going to take a week to get to the base of the climb, then a heli's understandable. But seriously on Robson, what the hell's the point???? Learn how to walk/climb or choose an easier mountain next to a road. Oh and seeing how everyone is saying it, F*ck You!!!

Hahahaa... wow what a bunch of ignorant asses on this website. I happen to be a pilot myself and was thinking about posting the same topic. For a majority of treehuggers that condemn SUV's, there sure are a large number of us that use heli's regularly. Wow, such words of ignorant wisdom spoken like a true ass. A B212 burns around 400 liters per hour and a AStar 350 around 200 liters per hour. My car burns 7. When you take you're little 1 hour hop into the backcountry in a B212, you just burned the equivalent of 4 months gas in your car!!! But I guess that's the same as driving your car there... if you're retarded. Just imagine how much fuel is burned in a day of heli skiing. I saw a trip report of a group looking down on the guides flying to the top of the dome on Robson after they flew to Berg lake. I had a good laugh at that seeing as there's no difference really. Using a chopper to access areas that are easily accessible by trail, or to bypass the difficulties on a climb such as Robson's mouse trap, is a joke. Suck it up sweethearts and sweat a little on the approach, not just the climb. If you can't navigate the mousetrap, then maybe you should stick to climbing things like ski hills.