RobBob

catbird, what's new about any of this? JFK had people all up in Cuba making trouble. If you look for it, you can find one of the original SEAL team 1 plankholders' firsthand account of assassinating a Cuban. The precedent was set by John Kennedy.

Milk makes me fart.

While I'm not a fan of GWB, I find that the article smacks of Dan -'s writing style.

This thread is about as dumb as it gets. DFA, take your girdle off and write something with just a little bit more intellect and subtlety. Pandering to the PC crowd while bashing Bush and Cheney is ...boring.

That one isn't classic, because it didn't mention an uncle who was minister of _____ and died in a mysterious car crash. Kinda like a country music song leaving out the pickup truck.

Not if we stop or reverse population growth.

A guy walks into a bar with his pet monkey. He orders a drink and while he's drinking, the monkey starts jumping all over the place. The monkey grabs some olives off the bar and eats them, then grabs some sliced limes and eats them, then jumps up on the pool table, grabs the cue ball, sticks it in his mouth and swallows it whole. The bartender screams at the guy, "Did you see what your monkey just did?" The guy says, "No, what?" "He just ate the cue ball off my pool table - whole!" says the bartender. "Yeah, that doesn't surprise me," replies the patron. "He eats everything in sight, the little jerk. I'll pay for the cue ball and stuff." He finishes his drink, pays his bill, and leaves. Two weeks later he's in the bar again, and he has his monkey with him. He orders a drink and the monkey starts running around the bar again. While the man is drinking, the monkey finds a maraschino cherry on the bar. He grabs it, sticks it up his butt, pulls it out, and eats it. The bartender is disgusted. "Did you see what your monkey did now?" "Now what?" asks the patron. "Well, he stuck a maraschino cherry up his butt, then pulled it out and ate it!" says the barkeeper. "Yeah, that doesn't surprise me," replies the patron. "He still eats everything in sight, but ever since he ate that cue ball he measures everything first!"

where do you find pics like these pray tell?

I actually grew up in a household where that phrase was often used...

Last year my neighbor detached a retina (eyesight never has recovered unfortunately). We saw by him at his mailbox one day after his surgery, sporting an eyepatch. My daughter pipes up with total seriousness: "Dad, is Mr. Daniels a pirate?"

ahhhh, grasshopper, go form your opinions of a bumbling sixties figure based on a movie last week if you want to. Your cynicism will not allow you to read and comprehend.

McCain has "Vietnam guilt," and backs them on virtually evry trade dispute. Meanwhile, Vietnam operates a controlled economy and subsidizes its industry, in order to import $. They want to steal your job. And McCain will support them every time. He's a bozo.

Yeah, and I don't know where the idiots here got the idea that Robert McNamara is a hero. Re-cap of Vietnam

quite. Look, you guys aren't going to be convinced if you've already made your minds up. But there are any numbers of individual veterans' or small groups of vets' websites that catalog Kerry stuff. If 99% of them are anti-Kerry, think about the meaning of that before you dismiss it. Where are the pro-Kerry veterans' sites? Almost nonexistent, compared to a slew of ones with anti-Kerry into on them. You can go on and on reading them, many pre-dating Kerry's emergence as presidential nominee. Here's a typical one http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php?topic=Articles Now I ask you, where are the vet sites---the ones who were there in Vietnam--- that go on for pages about how Kerry's a hero? They don't exist.

Milton Berle is about to appear with them any second

listen, as the father of two five-year-olds I can attest that they can and will try to kill each other. The best way to stop this behavior is to introduce an external threat to one of them...they immediately re-group to kill that threat so that they can resume fighting.

right?

Trueness. But his pilot status does tell you that he must've spent 6 months in OCS and a yr and a half training to get the status, right? But my point is that critical analysis isn't about jumping to "lesser of evils" as an answer, or a contrast of the two candidates' war performance. Only Kerry is pitching himself as war hero. So what's the real story on that? After some buddies fed me info, I searched for more on my own and was taken aback by what Kerry's COs said.

The only thing more depressing than the choice of the two tickets to me, is trying to think of who in American politics today would make a good candidate. At least if Sharpton were on Kerry's ticket, we could be assured of some good soundbytes.

Everything he needs to know is in Frommers.

Josh, you must not have read what I said: I don't like what Bush has done in his first term. Iraq has been a disaster. I'm admittedly not a rabid environmentalist and I'm a business owner, but even I am offended by the lack of thought in his environmental positions. Don't even get me started on his wrong-headed Christian-fundamentalist favoritism or avoidance of the impending healthcare disaster. All that is beside the point, however, in assessing who Kerry really is. And Kerry is trumpeting that he's a war hero. It looks to me like his real teammates at that time say he was far from being a war hero. Those of you who are so committed to Kerry that you cannot think a centrist thought can continue to believe I'm one of the "Bush lovers" if you want to. Fact is, I'm not. As an independent, I'm saying that it appears to me that in light of this issue Kerry is showing us that he may be a deeply flawed candidate.

and so much for "machismo" too

No I wasn't (I'm only 44). Two of my closest friends were. One did two long tours in the teams, and since he and his comrades rode in those swift boats, he began telling me the lowdown on Kerry months ago. (This guy happens to dislike Bush more than I do.) The other buddy was a Marine helo pilot, and his old gang has come up with the same chatter. So I started looking at some of the testimony from Kerry's peers and superiors. A surprising number of these guys are stepping out and calling "bullshit." They have little to gain by doing so, and it would be easier and play better on them if they went along with the "war hero" dialog. I don't need to provide links to this stuff. Google it up yourselves. The point JoshK chooses to miss is that Kerry's record now does matter, and he forces us to judge his record as part of his qualifications by playing the war hero.

Bullshit and bullshit. That's what this discussion is about. Go digging for yourself.