ILuvAliens

save up, hopefully you can quit before next summer rolls around.

Shuksan, car to car, five shits, all solids, 17 hours. A freindly reminder to filter your water.

quote: Go down to the fish ladders on the Columbia and cut holes in the nets of the indians camped out there. There is plenty of over fishing going on. Check out the Skokomish on a weekend. Cars line both sides of the road bumper to bumper for a half mile. People are nearly elbow to elbow in the river. It is pretty rediculous. My friends go alot. They say including themselves, people are snagging most of the fish.

WARNING!...could be a cult!

Hey, cut the guy a break, he was stoned. Nobody gets between Moss and his munchie runs.

Yeah, you had me going for a sec there.

No. But on the second page CSD somthing or other posted some links you should check out. Good luck.

quote: Bye Grandma. Bye Goran. There are no goodbye's. I don't think it is death, but the unknown that scares us. As I thinks been reiterated throughout this thread. But till we meet up on the other side. How long will they mourn me.

This sucks. Not much you can do unless you are there when the painting takes place though, other then bitch. I do my best to practice leave no trace. I wish others shared the same ideals.

Unexplained things like this give me great hope of what's to come. The knowledge just waiting to be unleashed. > >

The third side is not so obvious.

Lambone you punk! Don't kid yourself... ...just cause your an ass. When I say primitive, I mean it is not maintained. As you said yourself, "Don't be missled by sucker trails up in the flats below the pass." However, on my second trip to Stuart, we found the trail. The last few hundred feet to the top of the Pass are obviously seen from the top of Stuart. Or the top of the pass. I really said "OBVIOUS" just because once I realised the mistake we made on our first trip I laughed at our stupidity to not notice a trail down from the pass. We were so close. Yes longs pass has a sign on the Tumwater sign, but that's is irrelevant here. I however don't remember seeing one at the Ingalls Creek cutoff. I'll take your word for it. Anyways, I was just trying to point people in the right direction. I think it was better then anything else there at the time. Forgot, a pro like you, someone who has climbed the North ridge three times in a year, we should have came to you first. Whatever. Thanks for the amazing beta on the trail description. Don't be a dick.(You know I had to take my shots though) It's not that difficult folks. Brains must be fried after the routefinding on the west ridge...

Longs pass trail(primitive) leaves the trail farther west towards Ingalls Lake(no more than a mile from cascadian conjunction) You stay left, cross an obvious log bridge over Ingalls Creek. There are no Signs. First time on Stuart, we hiked in at night. We didn't see the trail so we had to ford the talus slopes. Looking back we couldn't have been more then 30 ft from the trail. On the way out we were sucked into the beverly creek trail thinking it was our quickest/easiest way out(thinking there was no real trail to longs pass). Sadly mistaken. Longs pass is an OBVIOUS trail that zigzags down from just west of the pass.

ski resorts suck. go backcountry

quote: For such a healthy life style that we as climbers try to live why would you pollute God's temple with poison like alcohol and drugs. I'll pray for you all in hopes that God will touch your very inner soul and take from this life of sin. Meeting people of the opposite sex is better done in a church setting because the "beer" goggles have not been installed. Bless you all, JD Spoken like a true virgin. Thanks for the prayer. My VERY inner soul feels nice and fuzzy. I suppose it could be the beer talking.

erden. Thanks, I won't take it personally. And no I would not want anyone above me on the Cleaver, or bellow me for that matter. We know this is unreasonalble. However, I would let a party pass if we were slowing them and others down. The idea is to move fast through the Cleaver. Spending as little time in the dangerous area as possible. Having groups stack up behind another is part of the problem. We let a party pass us as well that day. I see it like: I would rather pull over for 10 seconds let a party by with thanks, rather see them knock one down in haste as they try to pass. It is what this post is about. Not being selfish. I tend to be very courteous in the Mountains. If your on my tail. I'll let you pass. If you want to climb the route I'm on, I climb it once and be off. I don't think we are really arguing here. And I get your point. I don't think I will climb the Cleaver agan.

This happens every time someone post about a death. Someone says something that gets taken out of context. I think it was inocent.

quote: Alien Luv'er, you're smoking crack with ET, or something. There's a difference between the ability to do something and the actual doing of it. The Man himself said he as in "bad form" and was looking forward to a rest after the SFGP. Would you read that as being ready for a three week stage race? And what would a robot know about something being "personal"? No I wouldn't read it as that. But I would guess that you pick your races before or at least early on in the season to prepare yourself. Lance obviously was not going to race in the Vuelta this year. However, I still feel he could have if he wanted to. And refer to last post. Other riders are doing this. Only person smoking crack, is he who say's: "Frankly, Lance Armstrong doesn't have the conditioning at this time of year to be effective support."

quote: Armstrong rode support this year for George Hincapie in some World Cup events and some one-day classics. They called him the "super domestique". The Vuelta is a three week race, and it's very difficult to reach peak performance levels several times within a season. At this time of year, Armstrong is not in condition (mental and physical) to withstand three weeks of racing --especially as team leader. Lets not forget how hard Roberto rode in the Tour. He finished in a decent place. Beloki the same. Many riders who are still puttin' it down this late in the season. They were talkin about Zabel on TV the other day. One of the only riders to participate in a lot of the big events. I don't see why you single Lace out as one isn't caple of the physical an mental conditioning. Lance is very generous to his mates. Almost seems more personal to me.

erden from what I heard no one kicked a rock down on anyone?

Lance doesn't have the conditioning. Whatever. Lance isn't even in the race. If he was he would be the team leader.

I love my helmet!

I don't think your post was irresponsible. Someone who asks a question should be open to all the answers that they receive. It all lies in the eye of the beholder. Disclaimers are only posted to save someones ass from beign sued. Seriously, tell me who here didn't know that climbing was dangerous before they started to climb. People need to know what to do and what not to do by themselves.

That sucks Dwayner. I'm not sure that you have a bitch if the ropes are actually being climbed on. However, if the ropes are on the wall and not being climbed on, then people need to pull it down. It is rude. Share. I don't care if it is a class. If you are not teaching etiquette you are hurting everyone. Personally I won't climb near those arse 'oles(my opinion). Make me agravated just to hear the things they say/talk about. Say cheese. So for your sake and your students, you'd be wise to get away! Had an experience with them on Rainier/Cleaver. Their fearless leader refused to let the three parties(including mine) by under the pretense that we were all going to kick rocks down on THEM!Much Thanks to a kind soul in their group who claimed to need a break so we could sneak by. Show a little sincerity people.

what's a gaper!