Thinker

quote: Originally posted by Jim: There's a guy here in Seattle who's family owns a shoe repair place downtown on Stewart and Fourth. He's the son and only does climbing shoes. Dave Page is backed up big time right now cause his help is off on climbing trips. Dave suggested this guy to me. He also will pick up shoes for resoling from the climbing gyms in town. fyi, I took some shoes into Ramutas today and they're running a bit slow (Sept 10th) on turnaround time due to the fact the climbing shoe resoler (the son) is out climbing somewhere....go figure! They're actually at 6th and Stewart [ 08-29-2002, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

Man, the site Trask got that photo from is amazing. Look at this from the same site (definitely not Scottish)....

Check out this link and crunch the numbers for yourself: Kurt's 2001 tour summary Kurt did 68 events across the country in 2001, and brought in a whoppin $24,000 for the access fund. (That's an average of $353 per event for those of you too stoned to divide.) And depending on how much the sponsors kicked in (RockList.com, Ropegun, Rock and Ice, and Black Diamond, etc.), each one may have been a net loss for the AF (compared to if the sponsors had donated directly to the AF). Now I certainly haven't raised even a single dollar for the AF, and with all due respect for the man, his tour appears to be a big climbing roadtrip he can write off. Hopefully it will catch on and take off here, generating a little more $$ in 2002. [ 08-30-2002, 09:51 AM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

It's amazing how fast the weather moves in there. I was there for a few days recently and experienced everything from scorching sun, rain, snow, thunder, and (thankfully) no lighting until we were driving out. fyi, Irene's Arete and the Petzoldt Ridge are spectacular climbs!

Here it is..... Pogue's climbing page with link to Hells Canyon I heard climbers from Boise and La Grande were the primary route developers. Kevin or shops in one town or the other may have some topos. I was there a couple of years ago with no more than a cryptic description of how to get to one of the crags. We climbed for a day on single pitch sprot routes. Rumor has it there are multipitch routes up to 6 pitches there. The limestone is in good shape and the setting is nice...no traffic, no crowds (when I was there). Anyone else have more beta on HC?

there are some AWESOME limestone sprot routes in Hell's Canyon on the OR/ID border. Kevin Pogue has a good description of some of the routes, approaches, etc on his website. I'll dig around for it and post it here if I find it. (I know, I know, after razzing DFA about sporties originating from the abyss and all I'll certainly catch it for this post....but hey, I don't really discriminate against the odd bolt when I run across it......)

quote: Originally posted by trask: dude, i find your avatar picture quite disturbing. please warn me before posting again. for a real thrill click on the 'profile' tab. the detail in the larger image is amazing. [ 08-29-2002, 09:51 AM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

you certainly don't need op. thumbs to use a firearem. consider the time honored technique of commiting suicide by pulling the trigger with your big toe. guess that could be difficult with webbed feet, though....

A different perspective: I learned to climb while I lived in the midwest. It was always a road trip to get to the good climbing areas, but it can be done. One of my favorite climbing partners lives in Kansas City, Mecca of climbing that IT is. He comes out to Seattle a couple times a year for the big climbs, does other road trips to some great areas, and putzes around on local rock there the rest of the time. So, it can be done, but it will take some effort. Consider enrolling in a NOLS course or some other kind of climbing/mountaineering course to get the basics down, see if you like it, and see if you're willing to invest the time and money into it that it WILL ultimately take to excel. Check out the local university outdoor programs...check out the local climbing gyms and clubs if you haven't already, they can be a good source of info, instruction, and partners. The most important thing I'll stress is: get some instruction! preferably professional. [ 08-23-2002, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

quote: Originally posted by erik: hey tinker......you betta hope your old lady dont see what you are doin on the site...... she's got a good sense of humor, don't think I've crossed the line, yet......... thanks for the heads up. (though she did come close to thunking me in the head when she thought I was gawking too much at Krazy1 at Leavenworth awhile back) [ 08-23-2002, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

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quote: Originally posted by timi: And that's sopposed to make her feel comfortable how? That just scared my dog. aw....I just couldn't resist the pun, and the excuse to introduce my new Avatar.

quote: jkrueger's signature: Chronic Gumby Moment »»» Attempting to find useful Leavenworth beta in the Smoot guidebook. QB] I like the photographs for orientation, otherwise I have little use for it myself.

surfing a bit here at work....interesting report. Can't believe I beat Trask to it, though he'd have probably just snipped the photos and posted them. Human Waste in the Alpine Environment

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quote: Originally posted by freeclimb9: And I don't think the shit-in-a-bag is the end of the story at the Tetons; it's a management experiment. IMHO, to make the shit-in-a-bag work, a rebate of the entrance fee should be given for each filled bag. I wholeheartedly agree with you on both of these points.

quote: Originally posted by erden: Thinker: that would be Steve Firebaugh, and he posts as SEF here... Look for his profile and send him a PM. Erden. Thanks for the correction.....still a bit foggy this morn.....

quote: Originally posted by freeclimb9: Think, Thinker. Why would someone want to carry out their own shit, particularly when there's historically been a toilet available? So there was an outhouse on the lower saddle, sh*t is still strewn all over the rest of the approach. Granted, the ls is one of the higher impact camps there, but where do (we) climbers get off layin a log and walking away from it ANYWHERE? It's all about responsibility. It sounds to me like the NPS is trying to force the issue (raise awareness?) a bit, here, by removing the famous potty pad. quote: At the lower saddle in the Tetons --now that the shitter-with-a-view has been removed-- I predict that people will more often leave their shit rather than carry it out in the Reststop2 bags.sadly, I agree with you. [ 08-23-2002, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

I know JK asked about TRAD leads, so this is technically thread drift, but I like Screaming Yellow Zonkers at Smith. Bolted. 10b, I think.......

I'm headed off to the Tetons this evening and have found myself pondering this point, based on a bit of background info I ran across: Why does the 'blue bag' system, i.e. "pack it out", used (and accepted) so widely on Mt. Rainier and other places in the Cascades face so much resistance at other heavily used alpine areas? Teton NP is facing a huge waste management issue with the recent removal of a high elevation outhouse on the approach to the Grand Teton, and all the locals are screaming loudly that the blue bag system is not acceptable. I personally don't mind being responsible for my trash/waste/impacts. Does anyone have examples of other areas where the system does or doesn't work? Any other related issues to bring up? Edited to correct Steve's last name: Added text as an afterthought: I've seen Steve Firebaugh (Seattle Mountianeers Climbing Class big dude) posting here recently....Steve how do your class participants handle waste management on official and unofficial trips? [ 08-23-2002, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: thanks - mostly about soloing via tr, but "interesting" anyway. I originally thought the post by 'Noggin' had some value. Upon reviewing it, I've changed my mind. He's advocating the use of an Ushba ascender for lead climbing.....not good! The silent partner is a GREAT choice....the only one, really. [ 08-22-2002, 01:01 PM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

Hey Attitude, check your PM. got the info you wanted....

quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: my silent partner isn't getting shipped out until monday, so until then i need a real live talking one. I'm a screamer! [ 08-22-2002, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: Thinker ]

quote: Originally posted by Lambone: greeeaat... it's kinda funny that the Bibler website does not have any information about warranty or repair. except for this: quote: from bibler web site: I need repair work or need a modification done to my tent, where can I send it? We refer all our non-warranty repair work to Rainy Pass Repair in Seattle, WA. We believe Rainy Pass to be the foremost authority on single wall tent repair in the country. They are not cheap but they do excellent, competent work. They also will take on modifications (for a price). based on this post: I'm PISSED , you'll probably pay thru the nose if you use Rainy Pass.