there's also the annoying fallout in the media if you so much as break a nail on something like Mt. Hood. I could imagine the crap you would have to deal with if you fell on reid hw solo, for example, something I consider a reasonable solo climb but you would be absolutely roasted back in PDX for that (if you survived, which is perhaps unlikely ). Funny how I occasionally catch myself worrying about that stupid stuff when I should be thinking, you're gonna die if you fall, idiot!