zippy_monkey_boy

if it is from bd, means BAD!!!! the best for that is the heart from ushba gota try it to like it, all around thing, works best here and there.

here in the nw? cold after warm without new dumping snow? dreamers, once in a few winters, gota go for it then as it rare-ly happens. big 4 4 me. best of luck cause that is what you need! matt p gets it it seems.

the best way to climb it is by the west side by a little valley i think called marble basin? the ice must be in good shape as there is a lot to fall on you in the best routes from this way. it is also a great place to take bigginers learning to ice climb. always something do-able. parking is the crux, as their are a bunch of little cabins (silverton) that are being brokin into. and the hiway on the other side of the bridge is not gusstapo friendly. another easy way up this hill is going by the ice caves, fun ice climbing here also, and going due west going up the gulley between west end of big 4 and hall. have been working on winter routes on big 4 for over 25 yrs now. close to home