chelle

Terminal - where did you hear this sad news? I can't find any references on several sites.

Have a blast!!!

Caveman & Mike A. - an eastside pub club would be great. This is a pretty informal thing so all you have to do is put a post out there suggesting the location. It sounds like for Nov. 6th there are three potentials mentioned: Issaquah, Bellevue and North Bend. Hopefully you can still join us tonight in Seattle. Otherwise we'll see you on the 6th. Unkle Tricky - we'll be the eclectic looking group in the bar taking up a couple of tables if enough people show. Hikerwa, David Parker, Hollyclimber, Jules where have you been??? Hopefully you can join us tonight too. :-) Cheers!

Any interest in a downtown Seattle pub club tomorrow? Pike's Place Bar & Grill 6:00 pm Pike Street and 1st Avenue

Just started reading John Adams by David McCullough. It's really well written and fills in the details about the dates I learned in history class.

Hey Lambone, I don't have any trouble thinking outside the box. Tangents in these threads are sometimes interesting. Completely unrelated spray to point out how someone's opinions about difficulty are wrong with your own opinion should branch off to a new thread in MHO. It's boring to the rest of us. Nice job Erwin with your tangent. What keeps me from my dreams? Right now -- time to climb more and get the skills I need and a full time job that keeps me on airplanes too much of the time. Good luck in Steamboat. I moved here in July for exactly the same reason.

Is this thread about the difficulty of ice climbing or about Matt's original question -- what do we dream of climbing? I personally dream of alpine climbing in Pakistan. Since so much of the lower rock/peak formations are unclimbed I don't have any particular objective in mind. I've got a lot to learn before it can become a reality. Not to mention that it's not a very safe place to be these days. Still dream about it though.

MysticNacho - I'll have to check out the Snow Leopard again. I couldn't get into it after about 60 pages and gave up...

I agree that it is important to make sure that our voices are heard. I believe that trying to leverage off of existing channels (Access Fund, AAC, other clubs, etc.) is a place to start. We can learn what they do to communicate with gov't agencies and also useful practices/processes they use for items that will be critical for a successful effort -- decision making, setting priorities, publicity, fund raising, etc. It sounds like there is a group of people who are interested in this topic, but we need to actually put something into action and get started if we're serious about trying to make a difference. Any interest in a face-to-face meeting to talk about how to get started?

In general I like to read non-fiction and stories about mountaineering adventures are my favorite. These are a few on my bookshelf I enjoyed. Arlene Blum's "Annapurna: A Woman's Place" is great. Anything by Joe Simpson, except his one attempt at fiction. My favorite is "Storms of Silence." "The Measure of a Mountain" is a good book to share with tentmates on Rainier. "Below Another Sky" by Rick Ridgeway was also a great recent read. Harry Potter books are an easy to read escape in the tent after a hard day. [This message has been edited by ehmmic (edited 10-17-2001).]

Okay Dwayner, how do we get there?

Looks like Mr. Potato Head has sparked a traveling toy movement...

Happy to report another fun pub club gathering last night. For those of you who didn't make it to the 74th Street Ale House, we talked about climbing, drank some beer, checked out Chris-w's photos from recent climbing trips, and drank some more beer. For those who made it, thanks for paying up your tabs this week before taking off. Lizard Brain - good to meet you in person. Also Dr. Jay thanks for making amends for last week. See ya'll next week! Who's hosting?

I'm looking for a Vector Summit component for my pack. If you have one you want to part with send me a private message.

This is a great thread. Thanks for putting it out there Terminal. David, you are so right. For me it is about the community and time in the mountains with people who also love being there and don't question the risk/reward. The simplicity of just focusing on getting up a beautiful route in good style, regardless of the grade. Unfortunately I think our nature in general is to assign people (and ourslevels) to categories or stereotypes to make order out of everything around us. My personal goal is to someday be able to lead climb solidly in the 5.10 range so I can climb pretty much anywhere in the world. Not sure if I can attain this, but I'm having fun trying to get there. I am absolutely stoked that I can safely lead 5.6/7 routes now and I learn something everytime I follow on a harder route. Honestly I'm also happy about pushing myself in the gym to climb the 5.10d's because I'm getting stronger and improving my technique. And most importantly having fun climbing with friends during the week. About the mags... I haven't had much interest in reading them since I moved up here in July and actually started getting out in the mountains more. I'd rather climb than read about others climbing routes that I don't even aspire to try. That's my 1.5 cents.

Hey Geordie, I thought you looked familiar on Sunday at the Marblemount ranger station. Thanks for the recommendation on the hike up to Hidden Lakes Lookout. It was great to hike in the snow. Michelle

I experienced fresh snow flakes yesterday afternoon while hiking up near Cascade Pass. It wasn't sticking much but it was great to see snow this early!!!

This peanut gallery member votes for Ballard, but I would go to Everett again if people wanted to... since we had pub club in Seattle last week.

Interesting, Dru. According to my friend in the Seattle Mtn. Rescue it does happen here. At any point in time there are about 100 people classified as "missing" on Rainier. Bits of them have been spit out by the glacier, but couldn't be identified. I think Beck was involved in a search effort on Adams a few weeks back to try and locate the bodies of some climbers from the 60's who were lost.

I use one of the Petzl helmets. It is lightweight and more comfortable in my experience than the other models. I got hit on the top of my head with a baseball size rock on Shuksan earlier this year and the helmet did it's job. It does suck that it needs to be replaced, and I'll probably buy a plastic heavy one. The rock that hit me only put a small dent in the helmet and I have used it on other climbs since. Balancing the replacement cost with whether it still offers reasonable protection... Bronco - if the Petzl get's so damaged on the 2nd pitch that it shatters and can't offer protection on the other 18 pitches, the climber's probably suffering from a lot more than disappointment that he needs a new helmet.

Thanks for posting the directions link Holly. I can't wait to hear about your Yosemite trip. We'll be starting around 6:30 pm.

As a member of the opposite sex I can assure you that a lot of chicks will think you're smart to wear a helmet. And intact brains will score higher than the lack of helmet head. In case you were wondering... [This message has been edited by ehmmic (edited 10-02-2001).]

Erikn - You're welcome from all of us. Even though he won't take any credit, Beck deserves it all. It was great climbing on Careno Crags with you, MattP, Jerry, David Parker, and Chris_W on Sat. And Matt, Scary Canary on Castle Rock was a treat yesterday. Thanks for the climbs. It was fun playing with you this weekend. See ya'll next year...if not before at a pub club. Michelle p.s. Next pub club will be tomorrow at The Blue Star in Wallingford (46th and Stone) 6:30 pm. [This message has been edited by ehmmic (edited 10-01-2001).]

Unless someone objects, the next pub club will be Tuesday night Oct 2nd at the Blue Star pub in Wallingford. Another non-smoking venue, sorry Cavey. 46th and Stone Way. They have good food and about 20 microbrews on tap. There is ample parking across the street near the McDonalds. See you there after 6:30 pm.

Thanks to Beck's vision and commitment to getting this crowd together in person the mega fest/rope up is just around the corner. It's going to be a great party! Here is a list of the cc'ers who have pledged to contribute to our event this weekend. Please confirm via this post or private message that you are still coming and will be bringing the stuff. There are some duplicate pledges. To simplfy things please bring what you've said you can and if we don't use it you'll have extra supplies to take back home. NOTE: My access to the Internet is sporadic at best right now (damned viruses and firewall hangups). I will make a daily field trip to the library if needed between today and Thursday to follow up on this post. If I don't get back to you right away, this is why. willstrickland - old 60m rope, coleman 2-burner stove and musical entertainment hikerwa - generator, large water containers, and 10x10 self standing tent rafaelh - garbage bags, tp, paper towels, and a small amount of plates and some bottled beer chris_w - garbage bags, tp, paper towles, and one old rope mattp - six old ropes, a six ft table and possibly a digital camera to document his rope tricks for posterity haireball - a 2 burner coleman and lantern, tarps, and musical entertainment erik - a slack line climbing4fun - a slide projector (bring some slides to share too if you can and any extra trays in case others bring slides), and musical entertainment mikereddig - a rope or two, beer, a stove, meat for a BBQ david parker - musical entertainment dr. jay - coleman stoves, lanterns, tiki torches, coffee arsenal two-flats-fer-sure - a bucket of skip and go naked (hhm if we combine this with mattp's contribution this could be interesting...) dynamite - a voice to compliment the musical talents of willstickland, haireball, and David Parket erikn - a tarp, folding table, and some coffee supplies cpt.caveman - the famed drinking funnel rstewbone - his chef skills and supplies, (do you have griddles too?) lisa - pancake mix and coffee moonchild - not sure what you are bringing. Let me know. See you all there!! Michelle [This message has been edited by ehmmic (edited 09-26-2001).]