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[Title 36, Volume 2] [Revised as of July 1, 2002] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 36CFR261.15] [Page 336] TITLE 36--PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY CHAPTER II--FOREST SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE PART 261--PROHIBITIONS--Table of Contents Subpart A--General Prohibitions Sec. 261.15 Admission, recreation use and special recreation permit fees. Failing to pay any fee established for admission or entrance to or use of a site, facility, equipment or service furnished by the United States is prohibited. The maximum fine shall not exceed $100. (Sec. 2, 78 Stat. 897, as amended; 16 U.S.C. 460l-6(e)) -------------------------------------------------------- I couldn't find any definitions for the above terms and the revisions appeared all the same since 1998, so it doesn't appear they revised this to incorporate the parking pass. It's a very broad law...

N Face Buckner with Sundowners and SMC crampons cinched tight. I don't know about Trangos but if you've already got the Sundowners, they'll do.

Thank you for that lovely example.

What you can do as sort of a compromise on price, is pay $4000 and the guide service takes care of all the logistics. However, you'll need a climbing partner as they strictly insist you be roped up past a certain point. Also, you're pretty much on your own as far as cooking/routefinding/and such. Check out the guide service website, it will give you more info. I think the expensive part of this is that oxygen is not part of this package and would probably be a significant additional expense. But then I just saw a slideshow by a woman who's climbed all over the dang place and her first 8km peak was Broad. She didn't use oxygen and pretty much said to go to 7km and see how you feel. She said alot of people on Cho Oyu didn't use oxygen... I think for $16k you can get the same type of deal for an Everest ascent. A relatively economical alternative if you have faith in your judgement and capabilities. Check with mikebell, another cc.commie. He went up Cho Oyu two years ago, to the summit using this $4k option. But that dude is in insanely good shape...

Wow, that's impressive. Gosh, I can't even imagine it with my lazy-ass sitting here typing away. It would seem like one could shave a few more hours off the time by parapenting off the summit... I can't imagine the trip to the landing strip taking any longer than an hour, provided you don't crash and the winds don't take you to the North Pole. I'll be up for when Chad himself posts this trip report (why do others report for these people?).

Hey Beck, check out the Mountaineers monthly newsletter from two or three months ago. They had an article which stated something about x million dollars from the trail park pass program being spent on... total guess here because I don't remember, fighting fires. BTW, I'm sure everyone was very pleased to see Marymoor Park charging a $1/day parking fee. I think there's a summer pass available for $25.

Was up there Sunday, saw some dude FLYING with nothing more than a water bottle and rock shoes and a helluva lot of speed to go up the Tooth. I wouldn't be surprised if he went roundtrip from the TH in an hour or hour and a half. There's a booty cam up near the summit, along that little ridge after the catwalk and before you top out. A .75 Camalot, I think. Fully retracted and in apparently good condition. Also, there is a rap anchor midway down the dirty/wet gully at the base of the climb thereby avoiding the Pineapple Pass traverse... with a single rope. The summit was great (shorts and tshirts all day), 45 minutes of kicking back in the warm sun, no wind, and a Miller High Life between us.

I don't have ropes course experience, I just pulled that phrase out of my head somewhere, I think. What does this entail? I'm not much interested in a long-term commitment with any org right now, I just figured it'd be nice to help out a little. Squid, thanks for the goldmine of info.

"Rock Climbing New Mexico & Texas" Dennis Jackson, Falcon Publishing ISBN 1560444835 Cochita Mesa looks pretty damned hard, the easiest line is 5.9. The book is pretty informative and descriptive and has all the areas mentioned so far (plus more).

Anyone know of volunteer opportunities to help kids get out and enjoy the wilderness, or organizations that need help from us climber-types with some ropes course or equivalent? I was thinking the Boy Scouts might have something along these lines. Maybe Big Brothers/Sisters too, but does anyone happen to know for sure by chance? Maybe special ed or disabled kids/adults orgs as well?

I bought a 3.3mp from walmart.com for $157 brand new. Vivitar 3715 though I don't think it has optical zoom, just something like 3.2 digital. For supersmall though, I saw a Casio 2mp that makes the Elph look big. Don't remember the name, but it is on their website.

Where's all this love for Walmart coming from? There's some good, cheap stuff in there. It is interesting how people associate quality with price when the consumer doesn't really have much else to go on in comparing similar products. It's just a fact of life that people blindly equate one with another.

So if you don't want these new "climbs" to get attention, why mention them?

what i don't get is that since conditions vary by year and the ice melts off anyhow, isn't most wa ice unclimbed on a yearly basis?

Man, it's hard to make any kind of argument for a real woman while looking at that eye candy. Yeppers, that is a lustworthy woman alright. Still, I'd take a real woman before any of these avon-queens or anorexic Maxim twigs. Although that Pat with a bra/bro above is a whole lot more woman than I wanna be lovin.

Hey if you're still looking, I just sent you a pm. I've got a whopping week off before school starts up again.

eternalX, hey, it's all cool. i think you just caught a different tune than the one i was singing. i wasn't making any cracks and agree with what you just said. still though, it would've been kinda nice if i could've been a client of, say, Marty Hoey. nevermind she could've probably squeezed the life out of me with those powerful legs of hers but damn if it wouldn't of been awesome to have said, "Gimme some sugar, baby," while way up high on some remote peak. There's just something about a woman in damned good shape... and then if she'll do some leading too :Homer-Simpson-drool:

Put it in Federal Way, there's tons of apartments down there and it's located close enough to Renton and Tacoma. There's tons of youth down there and I can't imagine the startup costs being too high although the legal/liability side might be a bitch. But then you could always talk with someone who works at VW or Stone Gardens, over a few beers, and find out the inside info rather than paying a consultant. I know quite a few climbers that live down south and why not? Housing is cheaper down there.

I actually enjoyed my mullet from 1993-1995. It seemed like something every white male now in his thirties did at one point or other in his earlier years. Well, for those of us that had the hair to grow it...

Of the Myo3, How long is the battery life, what kind of batteries, how much does it cost and does it come with a spare bulb inside (or is there a place in the headlamp to store an extra)? I've always wanted one of those regular/led combo lights. On a separate note, what a trip it must have been for those SAR folks to rappel from a chopper with night vision goggles on to rescue Stefan...

Campmor was my pro-dealing source and I got ahold of some schnazzy Julbos there. Man I had so many problems with those glasses! Thank goodness I didn't pay full price. I've got the $39 Julbo Sherpas now and they seem to take abuse well. Extremodude does look good in those goggles though; maybe I should get some of those goggles, a tan, and learn how to ski on this Washington cement.

What was your question again, Lummox? I don't know why I get distracted every time I read one of your posts.

I agree, riding in Seattle is good enough. You worry more about pedestrians crossing the street than cars. Riding on Airport Way sucks but then it's that speed differential thing. I'm not too keen on riding in the rain, more due to driver visibility concerns. Off topic, Denver is a good city to ride in because they have two separate off-road bike paths (paved) that take you right into downtown from suburbia.

Nice photos and TR. Maybe that approach coulior on W Ridge of Forbidden still awaits a first ski descent? It's hard to justify that I actually climbed that route when everyone and his brother is skiing down it. Eight screws and six pickets and then these yahoos make it look like Bunny Hill.

No kidding, like giving a stick to your fellow climber as he's about to go on lead. That'd be killer trying to piece together moves on lead with a raging hard-on!