Tony_Bentley

I would put the route to about 5.9+ and more like 7 pitches. If you climb it, bring a hand drill and replace the belay bolts (about 5 or 6?). They are very old and probably would not hold much of a fall. The hardest pitch was towards the top and pulled a steep (and somewhat loose) roof. The route is also somewhat dirty. Bring 2 ropes because there is no way off except down the face to the left. We made the mistake of bringing one rope and the other party of three had two which put us all on the same rappel. Boo!

Well at least NCNP is still pretty premium. I know, you're gonna say 'give another 10 years'. At least there is still no access through Ross Lake via motor boats and most of the approaches are endurance fests. It was interesting a couple of years ago when I wanted to climb Triumph and the man said, 'no camping at the lakes right now.' I thought, okay I guess in-a-day it is! See gentlemen, there are benefits of doing routes in a day. No need for overnight permits!

Ouch! You guys are exposing some truth. Stop that right now.

I agree with DH. If I wanted up and down in a day I would ski tour up as much as I could and ski down. Even if you choose a more difficult, you are still going to be able to ski down most of the way. That is assuming you are not planning on climbing DC. This is the last route I would climb for speed, even if it is used for speed records. I think the fastest I've done is leave Seattle at 7:30pm and be back in Seattle the next day at about the same time after climbing Emmons.

Keep in mind that even though we are discussing a route wiki, there is something to be said for some lack of information. One of the issues I can see is that there could be too much information and the experience would be different than reading a guidebook. If everything was right there, like every detail on the approach or a 100-photo gallery or a map with gps coordinates, etc can really detract from the experience. I'm not saying don't include it but maybe be creative on how it would be delivered.

The search UI should allow by type of climbing, season, area, etc. Also the wiki should not be limited to internal content. There is additional information to be used in all of the Mountaineers journals, NWMJ and other online resources. I also think skiing should be part of it. Lowell has a great database that could be used for ski descents as well as Turns All Year trip reports.

We already have a website with most of the core community tuned in. Why point their heads somewhere else?

Here is my idea, suggested to Cascade Climbers and the community. I submitted it to this link: HERE And this thread is the open discussion for it. Wiki Definition

I was chatting with some friends about this whole CAG update that excluded a ton of routes that have been climbed recently and how a book can be very incorrect because it is controlled by one person's decisions to publish selective information. Fred is not going to be doing many more updates on these volumes so maybe it is time to make the information available to the public via a public Cascades Route Wiki? There is plenty of Wiki software to make this possible. The information will only become more accurate over time and it can be run by the community.

Nice job. I was hoping to see many of the new routes in the latest CAG. Too bad.

Give me a brief text saying snow and how much and leave the rest for students who practice voodoo. Am I supposed to know what all that crap says?

Pete that is DOWNRIGHT FUNNY. I'm laughing....No really. What are x-country skis?

OH GOD I WANNA DIE! And to top it off, I am headed to Minnesota for XMAS.

I was thinking about doing the same thing this Saturday. Funny that last year I was skiing blower powder down the run you hiked up on the same day.

Chill out Brad. Now for another fun 'unnamed' route, I suggest the triangle at the top of Rat Creek that tops out on the mesa. 3 pitches, 5.10 and fun! This one HAS been climbed by Pete.

What part? Maybe you could disclose this topo?

Craig, you are not certain of what has and has not been climbed by Doorish. You may speculate but that is all. As I stated in our email exchange, the headwall had been climbed before but the rest had not.

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Blockhouse East Face

RAD. Was this the climb that everyone was bitching about the bolts?

I love to see pansies hiding behind their avatar. It makes for a colorful discussion. Hey Porter, when he gets too outta hand would you grab his IP, find his former avatars and let us know the looser okay?

What happened to the blockhouse idea? That thing needs a FFA.

Actually DH.... There is some first descents.

I like the idea that it goes clean so you just need some more cams and you've got a stellar crag. CBR could use a couple more routes though.

Pulling overhangs on toprope? My kind of weekend!