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#434673 - 02/02/05 10:51 PM CONGRATULATION!!! *
Jake Porter Administrator Offline
☼☼☼☼☼☼☼

Registered: 09/19/03
Posts: 21291
TRs: 31 Photos: 740
Loc: In Love with You
UK-NATIONAL LOTTERY PROMOTIONS
HEADQUARTERS: 184 WESTINGFIELD DRIVE,S.W 4TH, P.O.BOX 1010 LIVERPOOL.
Customer Service/ Foreign Claims Dept.

Ref: UK/04/20X2/68
Batch: 074/05/ZY369

WINNING NOTIFICATION:

We happily announce to you the draw (#942) of the UK NATIONAL LOTTERY/Sweepstakes International Promotions held on saturday 1st of january 2005. Your e-mail address attached to ticket number: 5647-5600-545-188 with Serial number 5368/02 drew the lucky numbers:04-06-09-12-15-40-25 which subsequently won you the lottery in the second category.You have therefore been approved to claim a total sum of £61,111 (Sixty-one thousand, one hundred and eleven
poundsterlings) in cash credited to file KTU/9023118308/03.
This is from the total cash prize of £1,466,664 shared among the twenty-four (24) lucky winners in this category.

All participants for the free online lotto version were selected randomly from the World Wide Web through a computer draw system of individual and corporate organisations extracted from over 250,000 email addresses worldwide. This promotion takes place on a quarterly basis.
Your lucky winning numbers falls within our Canadian booklet representative office in the United Kingdom as indicated in your play coupon. In view of this, your
£61,111 would be released to you by any of our payment offices in Europe.

To file for your claim, please contact the fiduciary agent on our secure online email:
contact official:MR PEDRO McGAVIN
Email: pedromcgavin@netscape.net

Your Winnings Certificate and all other relevant documents for payment accredditation will be prepared after proper authentication and verification of your claims file.

For security reasons, you are advised to keep your winning information confidential till your claims is processed and your money remitted to you in whatever manner you deem fit to claim your prize. This is part of our precautionary measures to avoid double claims and unwarranted abuse of this program. Confirm the value of your winnings online at the link below:

www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/p/results/results.do

Congratulations once more and thanks for being part of our promotional lottery program.

Sincerely yours ,
Sir Sherman Earlworth.
International Coordinator
U.K NATIONAL LOTTERY/SWEEPSTAKES INTERNATIONAL PROMOTIONS.
Vote for Pedro!
_________________________
Trust but verify

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#434674 - 02/03/05 07:53 AM Re: CONGRATULATION!!!
glacier Offline
old hand

Registered: 03/30/01
Posts: 984
TRs: 1 Photos: 2
Loc: Cuburbia
FROM: SENATOR GBENGA OGUNNIYA
REPLY TO: gbenga@web-mail.com.ar


Dear friend

Compliment of the season.

My name is SENATOR GBENGA OGUNNIYA, the chairman of the Senate
committee on Pension,insurance and manpower development in the National
Assembly of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. I am writing you to earnestly
Solicit for your assistance in helping to receive some sum of money into your
account for safe keeping. I got your e-mail address through an internet
marketing firm while searching for a reliable and reputable person to handle
this transaction.

THE PROPOSITION:

We have the sum of US$29,000,000.00 (Twenty Nine Million Dollars) that we
intend to transfer overseas through theassistance of a foreign partner. This
money came as a result of Over provision in the budget for unclaimed pension
and accident insurance.

This over provision was done by my committee, but all payments have been made
to beneficiaries leaving behind the over budgeted amount which amounts to
US$29,000,000.00 which is deposited in the Nigeria Deposit Bank here in
Nigeria. I have agreed to transfer the funds overseas for my campaign funding
and other investment purposes, private use and for investment purposes with
your assistance.

I am contacting you therefore, to stand in as the beneficiary to
process this fund into your custody. As soon as you consent to this I will
immediately send you title documents to the fund in your name so you can make
claim for it. I will provide you with 30% for assisting us and 10% to be set
aside for reimbursement,for expenses that may arise during the process of
concluding the transaction. The
fund shall be transferred to you legally in accordance to all laid down
procedures governing transfer of funds. I have perfected all modalities for
the successful transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary.

Finally, I have to reassure you that this transaction is 100% risk free and
should be kept absolutely confidential. Presently, you can reach me by return
mail, you should also include your telephone numbers if any, for secured
communication between us.

Thank you for your anticipated cooperation. I await your response. Also Note
that we need to conclude this transaction before the end of next month as we
can still make payments on last years budget till this time.

Best Regards,

SENATOR GBENGA OGUNNIYA
_________________________
"After all, nothing annoys God more than a moving target." - RKM

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#434675 - 02/03/05 09:11 AM Re: CONGRATULATION!!!
iain Offline
Spray Master

Registered: 04/18/02
Posts: 11562
TRs: 12 Photos: 7
Loc: Bend, OR
I think you should send Fiduciary Agent Pedro McGavin's email address to Senator Gbenga Ogunniya

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#434676 - 02/03/05 09:43 AM Re: CONGRATULATION!!!
Ducknut Offline
old hand

Registered: 12/06/02
Posts: 883
TRs: 2 Photos: 34
Loc: on a plane again
Dear Mr./Mrs.
We are writing you on behalf of ULTRACO S.A., well-known prestigious Swiss company which main field of operation lies in selling elite watches collections and jewelry series. We are glad to propose you interesting and highly paid job in financial sphere. At this moment we are in need of new regional financial agents whose work consists of collecting the payments from the customers from the same country and forwarding them to our companys main office. Due to our operating employees inability to handle the sales volume we decided to open additional vacancies in each European country as well as in the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
Regional financial managers are needed because we accept bank wire transfers only and as you know international wire transfer could take more than 3 or even 5 days, thus increasing term of delivery up to 5-8 days. Such long term of delivery adversely affects our sales volume that's why we provide our agent's account details to the customer who is in the same country. Bank transfer within the same country takes 1-2 days only. After we receive confirmation that the amount has been received we send purchased items to the customer immediately. These actions let us to diminish term of delivery to 3-4 days.
Please visit our webpage at www.ultra-co.com/vacancies.html to get to know our proposal in greater detail and if you are interested please send an email to vacancy@ultra-co.com and we will send you an Application Form back. If you have any questions don't hesitate to contact us at info@ultra-co.com and we will reply you for sure. Thanks for reading our proposal.
Chief Executive Officer,
Jose Ansari,
ULTRACO S.A.
_________________________
Huh?

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#434677 - 02/03/05 05:51 PM Re: CONGRATULATION!!!
Off_White Moderator Offline
Capricious Warlord

Registered: 04/04/02
Posts: 7530
TRs: 14 Photos: 242
Loc: Tenino
Dear Ascensionist:

There's a new Internet based climbers' resource-Ascensionist.com. An
alternative to other climbing Bulletin Board Systems (e.g., cc.com,
etc.);
less bickering and BS; more talk of climbing.

You've received this e-mail because I've hand selected you to
participate
in Ascensionist.com. Please help the popularity and usefulness of the
site by registering a username and posting trip reports, conditions, and
discussion of all things climbing (access issues, etc.).

Naturally, with any new BBS, Ascensionist.com will initially lack
content,
but with your help this will change. I believe it's time for a better
climbers' resource; a resource where climbers don't have to wade through
10 pages of non non sequiturs and useless posts to get to information
related to climbing; and a place where people aren't censored or banned
for expressing climbing views and opinions that aren't mainstream.

Ascensionist.com isn't yet perfected by any means; as the site's
popularity increases, and as I receive user feedback, I will change the
site (whether by adding categories, or by implementing greater
functionality), to best suit its users.

Thank you for taking the time to read this message and please visit:
Ascensionit.com!

Thanks,
The Ascensionist

P.S. Please invite anyone you know who can contribute positively to register a username.
_________________________
"I have strong trad credentials but realize the importance of sport climbing. " - Jim Donini

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#434678 - 02/03/05 10:54 PM Re: CONGRATULATION!!!
Dru Offline
Sick Spray Bird

Registered: 02/08/01
Posts: 30031
TRs: 29 Photos: 304
Loc: Collapsing State Vector
Time wasted deleting junk e-mail costs American businesses nearly $22 billion a year, according to a new study from the University of Maryland.

A telephone-based survey of adults who use the internet found that more than three-quarters receive spam daily. The average spam messages per day is 18.5 and the average time spent per day deleting them is 2.8 minutes.

The loss in productivity is equivalent to $21.6 billion per year at average U.S. wages, according to the National Technology Readiness Survey.

The study, to be released also found that 14 percent of spam recipients actually read messages to see what they say, and 4 percent of the recipients have bought something advertised through spam within the past year.

YOU FOOLS!!
_________________________
t3h v01d, b1 d3f1n1t10n 4mless, there4 pr3d8s 4ll 4m & w1ll r3m41n

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#434679 - 02/03/05 11:06 PM PRODUCTIVITY LOSS
Jake Porter Administrator Offline
☼☼☼☼☼☼☼

Registered: 09/19/03
Posts: 21291
TRs: 31 Photos: 740
Loc: In Love with You
23890
_________________________
Trust but verify

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#434680 - 02/03/05 11:20 PM Re: PRODUCTIVITY LOSS
Dru Offline
Sick Spray Bird

Registered: 02/08/01
Posts: 30031
TRs: 29 Photos: 304
Loc: Collapsing State Vector
And 10,000 posts of that was taxpayer subsidized
_________________________
t3h v01d, b1 d3f1n1t10n 4mless, there4 pr3d8s 4ll 4m & w1ll r3m41n

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#434681 - 02/04/05 08:26 AM Re: PRODUCTIVITY LOSS
catbirdseat Offline
Elite Sprayforce Team

Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 13179
TRs: 46 Photos: 144
Loc: Anaheim, CA
Spam works to make money, therefore it's continued existence is assured.
_________________________
You don't do an encore if you just played Mahler.

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#434682 - 02/04/05 08:43 AM Re: PRODUCTIVITY LOSS
glacier Offline
old hand

Registered: 03/30/01
Posts: 984
TRs: 1 Photos: 2
Loc: Cuburbia
All of my Nigerian friends are writing.


ENGNR. TOM MUSA
N.N.P.C. FALOMO COMPLEX
IKOYI LAGOS NIGERIA
EMAIL:tommusa1@yahoo.com
URGENT BUSINESS
RELATIONSHIP

Dear Sir,
I am Dr.Tom Musa, Director, project implementation with (N.N.P.C)Nigeria National
Petrolum Co-opration and a member of the Contract Tenders Board (CTB) of the above
corporation.

Your esteemed address was reliably introduced to me at the Africa Chamber of
Commerce and Industry in my search for a reliable individual company who can handle a
strictly confidential transaction,which involves the transfer of a reasonable sum of
money to a foreign account.

This amount of money is total sum of US$13,500,000.00 (Thirteen Million,Five Hundred
Thousand United States Dollars), already extracted from various contracts awarded by
my corporation. As a result of over invoicing masterminded by the concerned
officials, has been drafted to represent final payment for a contract that has been
executed to the corporation some years back.

The money is now floating in the suspense account of my coporation(NNPC) awaiting
claim by Foreign Partner which status we now want you to assume.

Now is the optimum period to consummate this transaction.Following the presidential
directive to all parastatals to settle all outstanding debts owed to both local and
foreign contractors. In my last meeting with the officials involved, it was
unanimously agreed that 25% of the total sum will be given to you 70% will be for my
colleague, and me.While 5% will he used to reimburse the expenses that may be
incurred in the processing of the transfer.

I assure you the transaction is 100% risk free as we have concluded every arrangement
to protect the interest of every one involved.Likewise, all modalities for the
successful transfer of this money have been worked out with the Federal Ministry of
Finance and the Bank to facilitate the remittance of this money to your designated
account.

However I would want to believe that you are honest enough and will not raise any
misgiving attitude in any aspect of the transaction,more importantly, you will keep
this transaction very confidential so as not to tarnish the confidence reposed on
these officials by the Government of Nigeria.

lf this business proposal is of interest to you, then kindly contact me
via EMAIL:tommusa1@yahoo.com

Meanwhile, your immediate response will be highly appreciated. Please treat this
information as confidential.

Best regards,
Engnr.Tom Musa.
N/B Please Reply To My Alternative Email
tommusa1@yahoo.com
_________________________
"After all, nothing annoys God more than a moving target." - RKM

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#434683 - 02/06/05 10:48 AM Re: PRODUCTIVITY LOSS
Feck Moderator Offline
sprayer

Registered: 11/08/00
Posts: 9476
TRs: 41 Photos: 415
Loc: Seattle, WA
Dear Homeowner,



You have been pre-approved for a $402,000 Home Loan at a 3.45% Fixed Rate.

This offer is being extended to you unconditionally and your credit is in no way a factor.



To take Advantage of this Limited Time opportunity all

we ask is that you visit our Website and complete

the 1 minute post Approval Form.



Enter Here



Sincerely,



Esteban Tanner

Regional CEO

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#434684 - 02/06/05 12:01 PM Re: PRODUCTIVITY LOSS
EWolfe Offline
Spray Master

Registered: 04/21/03
Posts: 10539
TRs: 3 Photos: 558
You all are so lucky to have such opportunities!

I only get offers for free laptops.

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#434685 - 02/08/05 11:10 AM Re: PRODUCTIVITY LOSS
Steddy Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 11/21/04
Posts: 217
TRs: 1 Photos: 32
Loc: B.I.
Quote:

You all are so lucky to have such opportunities!

I only get offers for free laptops.




I only get offers for free lapdances is what he meant.

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#434686 - 02/08/05 11:11 AM Re: PRODUCTIVITY LOSS
Dru Offline
Sick Spray Bird

Registered: 02/08/01
Posts: 30031
TRs: 29 Photos: 304
Loc: Collapsing State Vector
Combolations, Elizagerth!
_________________________
t3h v01d, b1 d3f1n1t10n 4mless, there4 pr3d8s 4ll 4m & w1ll r3m41n

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#434687 - 02/08/05 11:28 AM Re: PRODUCTIVITY LOSS
EWolfe Offline
Spray Master

Registered: 04/21/03
Posts: 10539
TRs: 3 Photos: 558
Quote:

Quote:

You all are so lucky to have such opportunities!

I only get offers for free laptops.




I only get offers for free lapdances is what he meant.




Nah, I'll have to use your paycheck for that.

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#434688 - 02/09/05 05:03 PM Re: PRODUCTIVITY LOSS
gslater Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 09/18/02
Posts: 327
TRs: 0 Photos: 2
Loc: Idaho's Portugal
Great reading:

419 Eater

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#434689 - 02/09/05 09:54 PM WOW I AM RICH AGAIN!
Ducknut Offline
old hand

Registered: 12/06/02
Posts: 883
TRs: 2 Photos: 34
Loc: on a plane again
Mr. Ade Shoyinka Williams.
No. 2 IBB close, block 12 Susan Estate,
Girki Abuja.
Email: ade_yinka_williams@yahoo.co.uk

The President/ Ceo:

I am Mr Ade Shoyinka a close confidant to the Ex-IG former Inspector General
of police Mr.Tafawa Balogun by name . My contact address is been stated
above.

Firstly, I will be greatful if you could sit down and read this very important
business proposal to your understanding without doubt nor abuse my request
from your office.

I got your contact email address through foreign magazine early yesterday
searching for a reportable and trustworthy foreign partner who is in a good
position to assist on this very urgent proposal that came up concerning
some fund that been deposited with a Security Company in Cote D' Ivoire
which has branches in Asia and European countries by the former IG Tafawa
Balogun.

You must have heard over the media reports on the recovery of various sums
of money deposited by Ex- IG Ispector General of Police with various banks
home and abroad. Some companies willingly gave up their secret and disclosed
our money confidently lodged there, or many, outright blackmail. Infact
the total sum discovered by the government so far is in the tune of Over
($10M) was discovered in SWISS BANK, ($13M) in one of the Banks in London,
750 million Naira in (ALL-STATE BANK) and some other includes FURTUNE and
BACKLAYS BANKS. by the government, including some of his properties were
sized too till proper investigation been made. I have no doubt about your
capacity and goodwill to assist me in receiving into your custody( for safety)
the sum of ($16.5M)Sixteen Million, five hundred thousand dollars willed
and deposited safely by Ex-IG. This money is currently deposited in Safe
Deposit Box (SDB) at a security firm in Cote d'Ivoire which has branches
in Asia and European contries. As it is legally required, the administration
of IG Tafawa Balogun?s property is under the authority of the family?s Lawyer
Barrister Sam Egobia (SAN). The investigative teams set up by my government
have submitted their report after freezing almost all our account. Fortunately,
their family lawyer had secretly protected the personal will of Ex-IG from
the notice of the investigators and have strictly advised that the ($16.5M)
Sixteen million, five hundred thousand united state dollars be urgently
moved to an overseas account of any trust worthy but annonymous foreign
family friend without delay, for security reasons.

I will be greatful if you could handle and threat this transaction with
utmost secrecy and confidential till the consignment been released to you
by security company as the beneficiary unbehalf of the family and deposited
into your personnal account for a short period of time.

All the family traveling papers have been seized by the government thereby
preventing them from traveling and all the local and international outfit
of our business empire seized. We have therefore agreed to compensate your
goodself with 15% of the total deposit when you finally the deposit box
from the security firm and lodged in your account while 5% is also set asside
for any occured expenses during the course of transaction between the both
paties. They have equally guaranteed 100% risk-free and smooth transfer.
If you are interested in assisting us, you can write me through my e-mail,
please reply direct to this email address: (ade_yinka_williams@yahoo.co.uk)
for obvious security reasons, it is imperative that you keep all our communication
very secret.

First before we start the transaction, God bless you.

Best regard,
Mr. Ade Shoyinka Williams.
_________________________
Huh?

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#434690 - 02/10/05 07:37 AM Re: WOW I AM RICH AGAIN!
Jake Porter Administrator Offline
☼☼☼☼☼☼☼

Registered: 09/19/03
Posts: 21291
TRs: 31 Photos: 740
Loc: In Love with You
BAM-I-DUNYA Expedition Services, program 2005/2006

Please allow us to first introduce ourselves. Bam-I-Dunya Expedition
Services is
the Urumqi, Xinjiang China, based follow up organisation of former
Dutch expedition
service company ALPEX High Alpine Expeditions. We have 9 years of
experience of
organising ventures in the high mountains of Xinjiang, Tibet and the
former Soviet
Central Asian republics. Through the years we have more and more
specialized on
exploratory mountaineering expeditions in the remote areas of Central
Asia and
services for scientific research expeditions in the same area's.

With this e mail you get an excerpt of our 2005/2005 programs so
you get an idea
of what we are offering. Although our ventures are mainly meant for
group booking we
can sometimes accomodate individuals, wanting to join up one of the
preset
expeditions. The seven pre planned expeditions we mention here are
however only an
example: In principle we are able to organise trips to any wished
objective within the
limits of our operation area. We can, on request, design tailor made
packages for any
given group size and at any preferred service level, from just simple
permit and
transport, to fully guided high service level expeditions.

Any mountain, under condition it is outside closed military zones
and not
officially classified as a "holy mountain", we can design service
packages for
mountaineering or hiking parties. We are able to provide comlete sets
of material from
our Xinjiang depots, arrange for the necessary papers, provide visa
support,
transport, lodging and so on. Through our connections with the Xinjiang
Ecological
Society of the China Academy of Sciences and the Xinjiang Institute of
Science and
Technology, we can provide official invitations for doing research
projects in West
China as well as permission to export samples from China.

If you are interested in any of the programs mentioned at the bottom
of this
message, want to have more informations, have your own projects in mind
do not
hesitate to contact us at Bam_I_Dunya@yahoo.com . If on the contrary
you do not wish
to receive any more mails from us please sent an empty message or
forward this one to
kunlunlists@yahoo.com and we will make sure this is the last message
you ever receive
from us.

John, Jimmy & Johan

Bam I Dunya management, Urumqi, PR of China
**********************************************************************************


KINGATA TAGH

Summit Elevation: 6780 Meter

Where?; Western Kunlun, Near China/Tadjikstan border

When?: 5 July to 30 July 2005, (Same period in 2006)

Minimum number of members: 6 persons

Price per person: $ 1.749,- (1.349,- Euro)

GENERAL INFO ABOUT KINGATA TAGH MOUNTAIN

Kingata Tagh is found in the Kingata, Sometimes called Karajira, Shan
mountains which
stretch from the Karakoram Highway to the Tadjikstan border. The
Kingata Shan is the
most Western range that geographically counts to the Kunlun chain.
Until recently the
area was completely unvisited by foreign tourists/climbers. This was
partly due to the
fact that the whole western part of the range was off limits, being a
military
controlled border area. In 2005 the rules will change and the road to
Muji and the
Tadjikstan border will be opened to civil traffic.
First to make a reconnaissance in the area was a Russian party in 2001
who researched
the possibilities of approaching the main peak from the North. They
however found this
unfeasible as the way is barred by extended and very difficult glacier
terrain. We
were out in the area in September 2004 and researched the Southern
approach. We found
that as well over the moraines of the West glacier as over those of the
Southwest
glacier the foot of the mountain can be reached relatively easily.
Apart from the
ascent of two secondaries the route on the Southwest face was
reconnaitered up to an
altitude of 5400 meter.
Kingata is not a very easy mountain to climb, much more difficult than
nearby
Muztagata, but it is also not a K2 or a Kongur. Nevertheless, those
wanting to join
our team should be independent mountaineers with sufficient skills in
iceclimbing.

INTENARY

5 July: Arrival of team members in Kashgar, welcome dinner at John's
cafe, stay at
Seman Hotel.
6 July: Stay in Kashgar, sightseeing to Id Kay Mosque and Apak Hodja
Tomb
7 July: In the morning drive by jeep to Karagilik village, in afternoon
Hike up to
base camp, (Pack animals for carrying the expedition gear.
8 July; Acclimatisation day at Base camp
9/10 July: Building and supplying advanced base camp at the foot of the
peak
11/27 July: Period for climbing Kingata Tagh
28 July: In the morning trekking back to Karagilik, in afternoon drive
by jeep to
Kashgar
29 July: Celebration dinner and party in Kashgar
30 July: End of expedition


INCLUDED IN SERVICE PACKAGE

Mountain Permit and all other necessary paperwork.
Welcome by us on Kashgar airport or train station
Transport from airport/trainstation to Seman Hotel
Total of 4 night's stay at Seman Hotel
Breakfasts and dinners at John's Cafe on the hotel premisses
Sightseeing in Kashgar
Transport by 4WD jeep from Kashgar to Karagilik
Transport of supplies and gear to Karagilik with Truck
All food supplies for base camp
Kitchen tent for base camp
Mess/dinner tent for base camp
2 Person sleeping tents for base camp
Kitchen utensils
Cooking stoves
Gas for the cooking stoves
Base camp cooking services
Translation services
Expedition management services
Liaison services
Maps of the Kingata Mountain area
Mountaineering Ropes
High Altitude Tents
Low Temperature Mountain Stoves
45 icescrews
50 carabiners
4 VHF portable radios
Satelite telephone
GPS compass
Weather station
Pack animals for transporting material back to Karagilik
Transport back to Kashgar by 4WD Jeep
Transport back to Kashgar of materials by truck
Breakfasts and dinners at John's Cafe
Celebration/farewell dinner and party
Transport to airport/trainstation

*******************************************************************************

AKLANGM PEAK

Summit Elevation: 6978 Meter

Where?; Western Kunlun, At the Western Extremity of Kongur Shan Range

When?: 5 August to 30 August 2005, (Same period in 2006)

Minimum number of members: 6 persons

Price per person: $ 1.749,- (1.349,- Euro)


GENERAL INFO ABOUT AKLANGM MOUNTAIN

Aklangm is found in the Kongur Shan, the one but Westernmost range of
the giant Kunlun
chain. For Xinjiang standards it is a very accessible mountain, as it
rises directly
from the Karakoram highway, and a whole set of villages of the local
semi nomadic
Kyrghyz herders are found around its base.
Until very recently however the peak did not get much attention from
mountaineers/hikers. This is due to the nearness of very popular and
equally
accessible objectives as Muztagata and Kongur Tagh. Like in all popular
mountaineering
area's it was the highest peaks that get the first attention. It was
only in the
summer of 2004 that a Swiss member of one of our teams made the first
ascent by way of
the west Ridge.
Aklangm is a very bulky, very complex mountain with a great number of
possible routes
on it. Most of this possible ascent ways are of considerable technical
difficulty, but
a few are fairly easy, the West ridge, which we intend to do on our
scheduled
expeditions, is probably the least difficult of them.
No special technical skills are demanded of potential team members, but
all who are
applying to join our group should have at least some previous high
altitude
mountaineering experience.


INTENARY

5 July: Arrival of team members in Kashgar, welcome dinner at John's
cafe, stay at
Seman Hotel.
6 July: Stay in Kashgar, sightseeing to Id Kay Mosque and Apak Hodja
Tomb
7 July: In the morning drive by jeep to Bulungkol Dobey village, in
afternoon Hike up
to base camp, (Pack animals for carrying the expedition gear.
8 July; Acclimatisation day at Base camp
9/10 July: Building and supplying advanced base camp at the foot of the
peak
11/27 July: Period for climbing Aklangm
28 July: In the morning trekking back to Bulungkol Dobey, in afternoon
drive by jeep
to Kashgar
29 July: Celebration dinner and party in Kashgar
30 July: End of expedition


INCLUDED IN SERVICE PACKAGE;

Mountain Permit and all other necessary paperwork.
Welcome by us on Kashgar airport or train station
Transport from airport/trainstation to Seman Hotel
Total of 4 night's stay at Seman Hotel
Breakfasts and dinners at John's Cafe on the hotel premisses
Sightseeing in Kashgar
Transport by 4WD jeep from Kashgar to Bulungkol Dobey
Transport of supplies and gear to Bulungkol Dobey with Truck
All food supplies for base camp
Kitchen tent for base camp
Mess/dinner tent for base camp
2 Person sleeping tents for base camp
Kitchen utensils
Cooking stoves
Gas for the cooking stoves
Base camp cooking services
Translation services
Expedition management services
Liaison services
Maps of the Kongur Shan Mountain area
Mountaineering Ropes
High Altitude Tents
Low Temperature Mountain Stoves
10 icescrews
20 carabiners
100 meter of 6 mm Static rope
4 VHF portable radios
Satelite telephone
GPS compass
Weather station
Pack animals for transporting material back to Bulungkol Dobey
Transport back to Kashgar by 4WD Jeep
Transport back to Kashgar of materials by truck
Breakfasts and dinners at John's Cafe
Celebration/farewell dinner and party
Transport to airport/trainstation

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SKYANG KANGRI NORTH PEAK, First Ascent attempt

Summit Elevation: 7545 Meter

Where?; Central Karakoram, China/Pakistan border

When?: 10 October to 10 December June 2006

Minimum number of members: 6 persons

Price per person: $ 4.699,-,- (3.699,- Euro)


GENARAL INFO ABOUT SKYANG KANGRI

Skyang Kangri is found in the Central Karakoram mountains, just about
10 kilometer
Northeast of K2. The peak is twin summited with quite a large
horizontal difference
between the two peaks. The South summit is exacly on the border of
China and Pakistan,
the Northern one is a few kilometer inside China. A japanese team
succesfully climbed
the South summit from Pakistan in the 1980's and as it was than thought
that it was
the higher one, so for many the case was settled.
Modern SRTM data however show that the South summit has an elevation of
7512 and the
Northern one with 7545 being 33 meter higher. The approach of Skyang
Kangri is
elaborate, as is the walk in from K2 base camp to the foot of the
climb, this is the
reason that not many have tried to climb it. Probably the first to do
so were Japanese
in 1995, choosing a difficult direct route in the North face and
failling to climb the
summit.
In the dying days of our K2 expedition in early 2003, one member of our
team had a go
at it and reconnaitered an elaborate route, traversing the flank of a
secondary peak.
After having been avalanched in camp III at 6400 meter and only just
surviving the
attempt was cancelled. However the "gletscherwolf trail" seems a
navigable way up and
is for certain the technically least difficult possibility to do so.
Although not a very difficult ascent, it is an unclimbed route and a
very long way to
go. Apart from that there are very steep pitches of snow climbing and
the objective
dangers are plenty and obvious. So anyone wanting to join our
expedition should have
considerable high altitude and snow/iceclimbing experience as well as
good stamina


INTENARY

10 October: Arrival of team members in Kashgar, welcome dinner at
John's cafe, stay at
Seman Hotel.
11 October: Stay in Kashgar, sightseeing to Id Kay Mosque and Apak
Hodja Tomb
12 October: Stay in Kashgar, Last preparations, loading of truck.
13 October: Drive by jeep from Kashgar to Yecheng, Stay in local hotel
14 October: Drive by jeep to Mazardara
15 October: Acclimatisation day, camping out in the Mazardara river
valley
16 -20 October: Trekking in to K2 base camp
21 October: Establishing base camp.
22-30 October; Building and supplying of Advanced Base camps I & II
31 October May - 1 December: Period for the climbing of Skyang Kangri
North Peak
2-6 December: Trekking back to Mazardara
7 December: Transport by Jeep back to Yecheng
8 December: Transport back to Kashgar
9 December: Sighseeing day in Kashgar, celebration dinner and party


INCLUDED IN SERVICE PACKAGE

Mountain Permit and all other necessary paperwork.
Welcome by us on Kashgar airport or train station
Transport from airport/trainstation to Seman Hotel
Three night's stay at Seman Hotel
Breakfasts and dinners at John's Cafe on the hotel premisses
Sightseeing in Kashgar
Transport by 4WD jeep from Kashgar to Mazardara
Transport of supplies and gear to Mazardara with Truck
Hotel stay at Yecheng
Transport of materials by camel to base camp
All food supplies for base camp
Kitchen tent for base camp
Mess/dinner tent for base camp
2 Person sleeping tents for base camp
Kitchen utensils
Cooking stoves
Gas for the cooking stoves
Base camp cooking services
Translation services
Expedition management services
Liaison officer services
Maps of Skyang Kangri/K2 area
Mountaineering Ropes
High Altitude Tents
Low Temperature Mountain Stoves
50 gas cans for the Mountain Stoves, (Refillable at base camp)
20 icescrews
50 carabiners
3 Mountaineering ropes
200 meter of Static ropes
4 VHF portable radios
Satelite telephone
GPS compass
Weather station
Transport of materials by camel back to Mazardara
Transport back to Kashgar by 4WD Jeep
Transport back to Kashgar of materials by truck
2 Night Hotel stay at Seman Hotel, Kashgar
Breakfasts and dinners at John's Cafe
Celebration/farewell dinner and party
Transport to airport/trainstation

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AKSAY CHIN: Kunlun Goddess Peak

Summit Elevation: 7167 Meter

Where?; West Central Kunlun, Xinjiang/Tibet border

When?: 10 May to 10 July 2005, (Same period in 2006)

Minimum number of members: 6 persons

Price per person: $ 3.999,- (3.099,- Euro)


GENERAL INFO ABOUT KUNLUN GODDESS PEAK

The Aksay Chin, also called Tsjung Muztaga, is found in the Southern
part of the West
Central Kunlun and its highest peak, commonly referred to as Kunlun
Goddess, but also
called Aksay Chin I, is found in the Southern parts of this huge range.
This mountain
range is extremely remote and difficult to access, the reason why it
has been visited
only a few times. The main peak was first climbed by a Japanese party
in 1985 and a
second successfull ascent was made in 1996, also by Japenese. A few
more parties have
visited it, but without success. The main peak, which overtowers
everything else in
the extremely glaciated range overtowers all other summits with more
than 200 meter.
Although the hike from Base camp to advanced base camp at its foot is a
very difficult
one, the peak itself is not a very technical one to climb. Experience
with prolonged
times at high altitude seem more inportant than high grade ice climbing
techniques.


DATA OF AKSAY CHIN RANGE

Other Names: Tsjung Muztaga / Southwest Kunlun / Kunlun Goddess Range

Country: China

Location: Border area of Tibet and Xinjiang Autonomous regions

Total Mountain Area: 4045 Square Kilometer, (53x76,5 Kilometer)

Number of 6000+ Peaks: 458

Number of Major Glaciers: 45

Total Number of Glaciers: 850

Glaciated Area: 3300 Square Kilometer

Highest Peak: Kunlun Goddess, 7167 Meter

Main Lakes: Lic Lake


INTENARY

10 May: Arrival of team members in Kashgar, welcome dinner at John's
cafe, stay at
Seman Hotel.
11 May: Stay in Kashgar, sightseeing to Id Kay Mosque and Apak Hodja
Tomb
12 May: Stay in Kashgar, Last preparations, loading of truck.
13 May: Drive by Jeep from Kashgar over G219 (Tibet) road to Kudi
village, stay at
local hostel
14 May: Drive to Dahongliutan settlement in Kunlun mountains, stay at
local hostel
15 May: Drive to Aksay Chin Lake, camp at east shores.
16 May: Drive to Base camp, building up of camp
17-19 May: Acclimatisation days, reconnaissance of way to advanced base
camp
20 May - 4 July: Period for climbing Kunlun Goddess Peak
5 July: Packing up Base camp
6 July: Drive from Base camp to Dahongliutan
7 July: From Dahongliutan to Yecheng, stay at local hotel
8 July; Back to Kashgar, Stay at Seman Hotel
9 July: Celebration dinner and party
10 July: End of expedition


INCLUDED IN SERVICE PACKAGE

Mountain Permit and all other necessary paperwork.
Welcome by us on Kashgar airport or train station
Transport from airport/trainstation to Seman Hotel
Three night's stay at Seman Hotel
Breakfasts and dinners at John's Cafe on the hotel premisses
Sightseeing in Kashgar
Transport by 4WD jeep from Kashgar to base camp
Transport of supplies and gear to Base Camp with 6WD Truck
Night stay at Kudi
Night stay at Dahongliutan
All food supplies for base camp
Kitchen tent for base camp
Mess/dinner tent for base camp
2 Person sleeping tents for base camp
Kitchen utensils
Cooking stoves
Gas for the cooking stoves
Base camp cooking services
Translation services
Expedition management services
Maps of the Aksay Chin
Mountaineering Ropes
High Altitude Tents
Low Temperature Mountain Stoves
40 icescrews
75 carabiners
4 VHF portable radios
Satelite telephone
GPS compass
Weather station
Transport back to Kashgar by 4WD Jeep
Transport back to Kashgar of materials by truck
Nightstay at Dahongliutan
Hotel stay at Yecheng
2 Night Hotel stay at Seman Hotel, Kashgar
Breakfasts and dinners at John's Cafe
Celebration/farewell dinner and party
Transport to airport/trainstation

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K2, (QOGORI) Northwest Ridge

Summit Elevation: 8611 Meter

Where?; Central Karakoram, China/Pakistan border

When?: 10 April to 30 June 2006

Minimum number of members: 6 persons

Price per person: $ 5.999,- (4.649,- Euro)


GENERAL INFO ABOUT K2-QOGORI

K2, or Qogori in the local language is found in the central Karakoram
on the border
of China and Pakistan. With its great elevation of 8611 meter it is the
second highest
mountain in the world. Unlike with most 8000+ peaks, there is no
relatively easy way
up the peak and very good technical skills are needed for those trying
to get up it.
The first route that was climbed on the mountain was the Abruzzi ridge
on its Southern
approaches, from the Pakistan side. This route was pioneered,
unsuccesfully, as early
as 1909 by an Italian team. It took several tries until it was finally
summited by two
members of an italian team in 1954
China remained closed for foreign mountaineers for a long time after
the 1949
revolution, so it was only in the 1980's that the first tries on its
north side were
mounted. The first to be succesfull were Japanes in 1983. Since then
the climb on the
Northwest ridge has been repeated succesfully a few times and a
variation of it was
opened by Americans. The climbing of the Northwest ridge might be even
a little harder
than that of the Abruzzi ridge, but for that it is also somewhat safer
than the highly
avalanche dangerous South.
We are talking one of the hardest climbs in the Asian mountains over
here, and we must
make clear from the beginning that this is not a fully guided trip, and
all those
applying to join this expedition should be independent mountaineers
with sufficient
experience and technical skills.


INTENARY

10 April: Arrival of team members in Kashgar, welcome dinner at John's
cafe, stay at
Seman Hotel.
11 April: Stay in Kashgar, sightseeing to Id Kay Mosque and Apak Hodja
Tomb
12 April: Stay in Kashgar, Last preparations, loading of truck.
13 April: Drive by jeep from Kashgar to Yecheng, Stay in local hotel
14 April: Drive by jeep to Mazardara
15 April: Acclimatisation day, camping out in the Mazardara river
valley
16 -20 April: Trekking in to K2 base camp
21 April: Establishing base camp.
22-30 April; Building and supplying of Advanced Base camps I & II
1 May - 20 June: Period for the climbing of the Northwest Ridge
21-25 June: Trekking back to Mazardara
26 June: Transport by Jeep back to Yecheng
27 June: Transport back to Kashgar
28 June: Sighseeing day in Kashgar, Stay at Seman Hotel
29 June: Celebration dinner and party in Kashgar
30 June: End of expedition


INCLUDED IN SERVICE PACKAGE

Mountain Permit and all other necessary paperwork.
Welcome by us on Kashgar airport or train station
Transport from airport/trainstation to Seman Hotel
Three night's stay at Seman Hotel
Breakfasts and dinners at John's Cafe on the hotel premisses
Sightseeing in Kashgar
Transport by 4WD jeep from Kashgar to Mazardara
Transport of supplies and gear to Mazardara with Truck
Hotel stay at Yecheng
Transport of materials by camel to base camp
All food supplies for base camp
Kitchen tent for base camp
Mess/dinner tent for base camp
2 Person sleeping tents for base camp
Kitchen utensils
Cooking stoves
Gas for the cooking stoves
Base camp cooking services
Translation services
Expedition management services
Liaison officer services
Maps of K2 area
Mountaineering Ropes
High Altitude Tents
Low Temperature Mountain Stoves
80 gas cans for the Mountain Stoves, (Refillable at base camp)
80 icescrews
200 carabiners
3 Mountaineering ropes
1500 meter of Static ropes
4 VHF portable radios
Satelite telephone
GPS compass
Weather station
Transport of materials by camel back to Mazardara
Transport back to Kashgar by 4WD Jeep
Transport back to Kashgar of materials by truck
Hotel stay at Yecheng
2 Night Hotel stay at Seman Hotel, Kashgar
Breakfasts and dinners at John's Cafe
Celebration/farewell dinner and party
Transport to airport/trainstation

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MUZTAGATA Normal Route

Summit Elevation: 7546 Meter

Where?; Western Kunlun, Xinjiang, China

When?: 5 July to 30 July 2005, (same period in 2006)

Minimum number of members: 4 persons

Price per person: $ 1.399,- (1.079,- Euro)


GENERAL INFO ABOUT MUZTAGATA MOUNTAIN

Muztagata is situated in the extreme west of the Kunlun mountain range
and rises up
unfar from the famed Karakoram Highway, about halfway in between
Kashgar and Tash
Kurgan. As Muztagat is a stand alone peak and its summit is almost 4000
meter higher
than the surrounding valleys, it makes for a most stupendous sight.
Muztagata is also
a very bulky and complex mountain. The first tries to scale it were
already made
around the turn of the 19th and 20th century, but without much success.
In the late
40's, Eric Shipton and Bill Tilman came to within 50 vertical meters of
the summit,
but it was not until 1956 that a combined Soviet/Chinese party scaled
the summit
succesfully. After China opened up for foreign climbers in 1980 more
climbers started
to come to it, at first slowly, but by 1990 it had surpassed Peak Lenin
as the most
visited 7000 meter peak on the planet: By now the number of summiteers
is over 1500
and at least 50 expeditions visit it every summer, more in a good
year. What makes
Muztagata so attractive is that it is the "easiest" 7500+ peak on
earth. The ascent of
the West flank knows no technical difficulties and angles are hardly
exceeding 30
degrees. Still it must not be underestimated: Its elevation is very
great, the way to
its summit long and exhausting and there are crevasses and avalanches
on its icy
slopes. ALPEX has been to this peak with many groups since 1999 and we
do not set very
high demands on the technical skills and previous experiences of those
applying to
join our expeditions to it: "Hard Mountain Hikers" with experience in
glacier terrain
and perfect physical health do stand a chance on this peak.


INTENARY;

5 July: Arrival of team members in Kashgar, welcome dinner at John's
cafe, stay at
Seman Hotel.
6 July: Stay in Kashgar, sightseeing to Id Kay Mosque and Apak Hodja
Tomb
7 July: Transport by private bus from Kahgar to Subashi over Karakoram
Highway,
Camping in the meadows near the village
8 July: 3-4 hour trekking from Subashi to Base camp at 4450 meter
9 July; Acclimatisation day at base camp
10-27 July: Period for climbing Muztagata
28 July: Trekking down to Subashi, transport by private bus to Kashgar,
Stay at Seman
Hotel
29 July: Celebration dinner and party
30 July: End of expedition


INCLUDED IN SERVICE PACKAGE

Mountain Permit and all other necessary paperwork.
Welcome by us on Kashgar airport or train station
Transport from airport/trainstation to Seman Hotel
Total of 4 night's stay at Seman Hotel, 2 at start of expedition, 2 at
the end
Breakfasts and dinners at John's Cafe on the hotel premisses
Sightseeing in Kashgar
Transport by private bus from Kashgar to Subashi
Transport of supplies and gear to Subashi with Truck
Transport of materials by camel to base camp
All food supplies for base camp
Kitchen tent for base camp
Mess/dinner tent for base camp
2 Person sleeping tents for base camp
Kitchen utensils
Cooking stoves
Gas for the cooking stoves
Base camp cooking services
Translation services
Expedition management services
Liaison officer services
Maps of Muztagata mountain
Mountaineering Ropes
High Altitude Tents
Low Temperature Mountain Stoves
30 gas cans for the Mountain Stoves, (Refillable at base camp)
4 VHF portable radios
Satelite telephone
GPS compass
Weather station
Transport of materials by camel back to Subashi
Transport back to Kashgar by private bus
Transport back to Kashgar of materials by truck
Breakfasts and dinners at John's Cafe
Celebration/farewell dinner and party
Transport to airport/trainstation

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PUKKOMANNA SHAN/BUROG CO

Summit Elevation highest peak: 6909 Meter

Where?; Centre of Northern Tibet/Qinghai plateau

When?: 20 Januari to 20 March 2006

Minimum number of members: 6 persons

Price per person: $ 6.999,- (5.389,- Euro)


GENERAL INFO ABOUT PUKKOMANNA SHAN

The Pukkomanna Shan is one of the worlds most remote mountain ranges
and very
difficult to reach. It sits tucked away deep in the centre of the
unique Northern
Tibet/Qinghai plateau, hundreds of kilometers away from the nearest
human habitation.
The peaks of the range tower up to almost 7000 meter whilst the
surrounding plains are
at an average elevation of 5200 meter. Given the forbidding nature of
the plateau and
the great distance to it from the nearest settlements, combined with
the immense
problems to overcome in the roadless, vegetationless access ways, have
led to that the
range has been visited only a few times before. All previous
successfull visits
approached the massive from the Southeast and only exploration of the
Eastern chain of
the Pukkomanna has so far been done. The mountains of the Western
chain, as well as
the mysterious, very deep lakes in between, remain unexplored for the
moment. At least
two tries to reach the area from the North have been mounted so far,
but without the
desired success. In 2003 a large party from the Chinese buro of
minerals and Geology
tried. But after losing most of their vehicles in the immense mudfields
surrounding
the mountains and taking two casualties among the personal they gave
up, a mere 30
kilometer from the giant delta of the West Pukkomanna River. In spring
2004 a mixed
scientific and mountaineering party of our company tried in cooperation
with the
Xinjiang Institute of Science and Technology, but also this attempt was
ill fated.
Previous experiences have led us to the conclusion that only a new try
in the depths
of winter will stand a change as the mudfields will be frozen.


INTENARY;

20 Januari: Arrival of team in Urumqi
21/22 Januari: Stay in Urumq, last preparations
23 Januari: Transport by 4WD jeeps to Korla
24 Januari: Transport by 4WD jeeps to Qiemo
25 Januari: Transport by 4WD jeeps ot Tula
26 Januari: Resting day at Tula
27 Januari to 2 Februari: Navigating the way to base camp at the lake
shore
3 Februari to 7 March: Period for Research/Climbing/Hiking
8 March to 18 March: Navigating the way back to Urumqi
19 March: Debriefing and celebration party
20 March: End of expedition


INCLUDED IN SERVICE PACKAGE;

Mountaineering/Research Permits and all other necessary paperwork.
Welcome by us on Urumqi airport or train station
Transport from airport/trainstation to Bao Di Hotel
Three night's stay at Bao Di Hotel
Breakfasts and dinners at various restaurants in You Hao district
Sightseeing in Urumqi.
Transport by 4WD jeep from Urumqi to Base camp
Transport of supplies and gear to Base camp with 6WD military Truck
Hotel stay at Korla
Hotel stay at Qiemo
Lodging at Tula
All food supplies for base camp
Kitchen tent for base camp
Mess/dinner tent for base camp
2 Person sleeping tents for base camp
Kitchen utensils
Cooking stoves
Gas for the cooking stoves
Base camp cooking services
Cooking service at base camp
Translation services
Expedition management services
Liaison officer services
Maps of Pukkomanna Shan area
Mountaineering Ropes
High Altitude Tents
Low Temperature Mountain Stoves
120 gas cans for the Mountain Stoves, (Refillable at base camp)
80 icescrews
200 carabiners
3 Mountaineering ropes
300 meter Static ropes
6 VHF portable radios
Satelite telephone
GPS compass
Weather station
Transport back to Urumqi by 4WD Jeep
Transport back to Urumqi of materials by truck
Lodging at Tula
Hotel stay in Qiemo
Hotel stay in Korla
2 Night Hotel stay at Bao Di hotel, Urumqi
Breakfasts and dinners at various places in You Hao district
Celebration/farewell dinner and party
Transport to airport/trainstation
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Is this what the future holds for us in Massachusetts?

Life Without Mikey

Michael J. Fox was right. California's Prop 71 will put an end to
the
shakes. The 27 million dollars that the biotech companies invested
to
convince Michael that they could stop his disease was well spent.
He
bought it; then, sold it to us. We should all feel really happy
for
him, and all the other people that are inflicted with
Parkinson's
disease. Michael is a brave man. And the good news is that, thanks
to
71, my children's children won't have to deal with poor folks
like
Michael, because they won't exist. Parkinson's won't exist. Oh,
and
let's not forget Arnold. A big thanks to him as well.

Although the majority of scientists have resigned themselves to
the
fact that embryonic stem cell research will never find the cure
to
Parkinson's disease, they do all agree that Prop 71 will put an end
to
it. I guess Michael didn't notice the winks and the nods going
on
behind his back as they convinced him that thiss is the way to
save
the world from such disease. Why couldn't he see what
Proposition
"Adolph vision" was really about? Did he ask why the 'oversight
board'
that was created by Prop 71 had been given three Billion
dollars
without having to be accountable to the taxpayers? Or why the
press
was specifically singled out as not being able to gain access to
the
future state of affairs?

Did he ever wonder what "somatic cell nuclear transfer" was?
It
couldn't be cloning; because the bill specifically denies the use
of
cloning, right, Michael? Did he not want to know exactly how Prop
71
was going to eradicate Parkinson's disease? I'm sure they told
him
that it will also wipe out other diseases as well. Does Michael
know
that in the event they do not discover any cures, (as they have
not
done in the more than two decades of embryonic stem cell
research)
that at least they will have come up with hundreds of patents
on
cloning and discovered thousands of unique cells that will allow
the
world to selectively control the existence of people with
Parkinson's
and other diseases. I doubt they told Michael that he would have
been
avoided, skipped over, passed on.

They didn't tell him that with the patents they get, from
the
knowledge they learn through the milions of lives they create
to
destroy, from the billions of dollars they were given from
the
millions of suckers they snowed: that they will be able to rid
the
world of homosexuals and Native American Indians and fat people
and
ugly people and people like John Kerry. Hey Doc Hollywood, you
dont
know what you have done for the world. But stop fooling
yourself.
Please realize that if we had realized the benefits of Prop 71
fifty
years ago, chances are damn good that, for better or for
worse,
America would not have had "Life with Mikey" or "Family Ties" or
"Back
to the Future". But be assured, Michael J. Fox will get his wish;
in
the future there won't be a whole lot of shaking going on. Those
kind
of folks will be avoided. There will, however, be great
opportunities
for Brad Pitt to make a financial killing. When he's too old and
ugly
to act, he can sell his DNA for millions and we can have thousands
of
duplicate Brad's running around Hollywood. Maybe next time the
people
of California will do a little homework. There are a lot better
ways
to spend six billion dollars if you really care about people.
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Subject: INVITING CHRISTIANS TO THE RIGHT WAY AND REDEMPTION...

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INVITING CHRISTIANS TO THE RIGHT WAY AND REDEMPTION


(This brochure has been prepared to briefly describe the Islamic belief
in Allah and the status of Jesus (may the peace and blessings of Allah be
upon him (PBUH)) as well as to invite Christians to the path of
righteousness and redemption.)

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THE ALMIGHTY AND THE MAJESTIC ALLAH (MAY HE BE GLORIFIED AND EXALTED),
STATES IN HIS HOLY QURAN:
“SAY: HE, ALLAH, IS ONE.” (AL-IKHLAS: 1)
CHRISTIANS, BY SAYING: “FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT”
ARE SUBMITTING TO A POLYTHEIST BELIEF.
IS THIS NOT A CLEAR DEVIATION?

ALLAH (MAY HE BE GLORIFIED AND EXALTED), IN HIS SURA AL-IKHLAS MOST
CERTAINLY DECLARES THAT:
“HE BEGETS NOT, NOR WAS HE BEGOTTEN.” (AL-IKHLAS: 3)
CHRISTIANS ARE BELIEVING THAT “JESUS MESSIAH IS THE SON OF GOD”
IS THIS NOT A CLEAR IGNORANCE?

WHEREAS, AS INFORMED IN THE HOLY QURAN
JESUS (PBUH) HAS SAID:
“I AM A SERVANT OF ALLAH, HE HAS GIVEN ME THE SCRIPTURE AND MADE ME A
PROPHET.” (MARYAM: 30)
WHEREAS, CHRISTIANS IDOLIZE JESUS (PBUH).
WHAT A HUGE DEVIATION THIS IS.

IN AYAH 4-5 OF SURA AL-KAHF ALLAH (MAY HE BE GLORIFIED AND EXALTED)
STATES:
“AND TO WARN THOSE WHO SAY, ALLAH HAS BEGOTTEN A SON.
NO KNOWLEDGE HAVE THEY OF SUCH A THING, NOR HAD THEIR FATHERS. MIGHTY IS
THE WORD THAT COMES OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS. THEY UTTER NOTHING BUT A LIE.”
(AL-KAHF: 4-5)
CHRISTIANS ARE IMPUTING THAT ALLAH (MAY HE BE GLORIFIED AND EXALTED), HAS
BEGOT A SON.
WHAT GREAT HEEDLESSNESS THIS IS?

ALLAH (MAY HE BE GLORIFIED AND EXALTED), COMMANDS IN HIS AYAT:
“MUHAMMAD IS NOT THE FATHER OF ANY MAN AMONG YOU, BUT HE IS THE
MESSENGER OF ALLAH AND THE LAST (END) OF THE PROPHETS.” (AL-AHZAB: 40)
EVEN THOUGH IT’S REVEALED IN THE BIBLE, CHRISTIANS SAY:
“WE DO NOT RECOGNISE ANY PROPHET AFTER JESUS.”
THEY DO NOT EVEN BELIEVE IN THEIR OWN BOOK.
WHAT KIND OF RELIGIOUS CREED IS THIS?

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To believe in all prophets as well as Jesus (PBUH), is one of the
principle beliefs in the religion of Islam. We believe in all the
prophets and holy books that Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) has
sent us.

“They all believe in Allah and His angels and His books and His
apostles; We do not differentiate between any of His apostles…”
(Al-Baqara: 285)

Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) instructs us to believe in Jesus
(PBUH) and the unaltered holy bible that was sent to him and all the
other prophets that Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) has sent us.
According to the Islam, Jesus (PBUH) is one of the great prophets of
Allah (may he be glorified and exalted). He was born fatherless from the
Virgin Mary. Jesus (PBUH) was created just as Adam (PBUH) was created
without a father. As a matter of fact, today’s medical science, eases
the understanding of this situation. Allah (may he be glorified and
exalted) is bereft of human qualities and having a child.

The Jews, who didn’t want to understand and accept these facts,
slandered Jesus (PBUH) about his fatherless birth and accused him of
being a “child out of wedlock”, whereas some Christians called him
“God”, while others called him “son of God” and another group
named him “one of the three”. Whereas, the truth is as stated in the
Holy Quran:

“Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of
Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he
was.” (Al-e-Imran: 59)

Allah’s (may he be glorified and exalted) divine declaration about Mary
is:
“And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We
breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of
the words of her Lord and of His books, and was one of the devout
(servants).” (At-Tahrim: 12)

Christians, by saying “God is three: the father, the son, and the holy
spirit; three individual as one”, have deviated to a “trinity”
understanding. Which one of this is Almighty Allah? Isn’t this a
fallacious mentality? Can it be true?

“Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one Allah; far be It from
His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and
whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a
Protector.” (An-Nisa: 171)

You know that Islam is the true religion, that The Holy Quran is the last
book sent to us by Allah (may he be glorified and exalted), and that
Muhammad (PBUH) is the true and last prophet sent to us by Allah (may he
be glorified and exalted). But you still persist in your denial.

“O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Why do you mix truth
with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?” (Al-e-Imran: 71)

Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) is calling unto you.

Oh reader, don’t consciously hide what is true and what is real.
Don’t shut your eyes to the right path. Don’t persist in this
blasphemy and denial.

Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) is calling to you in his Holy
Quran in Sura An-Nisa:

“So believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: 'Three (trinity)!'”
(An-Nisa: 171)

Believe in that Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) is only one, He
is exempt of human qualities.

It’s great cruelty and denial to impute having a son to Allah (may he
be glorified and exalted):

“And they say: "The Most Beneficent (Allah) has begotten a son. Indeed
you have brought forth (said) a terrible evil thing. Whereby the heavens
are almost torn, and the earth is split asunder, and the mountains fall
in ruins, that they ascribe a son to the Most Beneficent Allah. But it is
not suitable for (the Majesty of) the Most Beneficent Allah that He
should beget a son.” (Maryam: 88-92)

Can you not understand the difference between creating and breeding? Can
you not think that to give birth and to be born, before anything is
linked to a creation? Are your eyes so blind?

Whereas, according to The Holy Quran, Jesus (PBUH) had said:

“Verily, Allah! He is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him (Alone).
This is the (only) Straight Path.” (Az-Zukhruf: 64)

Jesus (PBUH) is addressing you as a servant of Allah, whereas you are
putting him in the place of Allah, accepting him as God. In response to
your slander how could Jesus (PBUH) be your advocate? How will you face
Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) when brought to His presence? Can
something created be God? Can you not see how much you have deviated?

“But the Messiah said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord
and your Lord". Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah,
then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his
abode. And for the Zalim&#1099;n (polytheists and wrong­doers) there are no
helpers.” (Al-Maeda: 72)

Jesus (PBUH) is addressing you, should you continue to hold partners in
worship to Allah (may he be glorified and exalted), Hell will eternally
be your abode. Will you still not wake up?

Allah (may he be glorified and exalted), puts forth in the Holy Quran
another declaration by Jesus (PBUH):

“Verily! I am a servant of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and
made me a Prophet;” (Maryam: 30)

While, the Christians are wrongly accepting Jesus (PBUH) as God. Jesus
(PBUH), is saying; “I am not Allah, but his servant. I am not Allah,
but his prophet and messenger.” Christians have gone astray by making a
creation, their creator, Allah. They are slandering their holy prophet,
and deviating from his path. Can a human be a God? What big denial is
this?

To those who impute almightiness to Jesus (PBUH), Allah (may he be
glorified and exalted) commands in his Ayah:

“Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the Messiah, son of
Maryam (Mary)." (Al-Maeda: 72)

“Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the
three (in a Trinity).” (Al-Maeda: 73)

The word “three” as well as the word “third” in saying that
“Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)” indicates a two-way
blasphemy. Since there is no God other than one, presuming “three
Gods” is denial that Allah exists. This creates an inconsistency such
as saying “Allah (God) is three”.

“But there is no God (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One
(God - Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a
painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.“ (Al-Maeda:
73)

Those, who persist in using these words and continue in their misguided
belief of the trinity, Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) openly
labels blasphemous. And they will receive a severe punishment.

“The Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger…”
(Al-Maeda: 75)

He is not a God, but merely a prophet, an edict who has been sent by
Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) with His proof and decree. As
Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) has purposely given miracles to
some of the prophets, He has also given Jesus (PBUH) clear miracles in
order to prove his authenticity. Just as Allah (may he be glorified and
exalted) brought the dead back to life through his intermediary Jesus
(PBUH), with no doubt, he also used Moses (PBUH) as an intermediary,
giving life to his staff and turning it into a snake. This miracle is
more astounding than the first.

If Jesus (PBUH) was created without a father, no doubt, Adam (PBUH) was
created without a father or a mother. This is even more surprising. All
these are from the divine level of Allah (may he be glorified and
exalted). Moses (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) are only intermediaries who
manifest Allah’s (may he be glorified and exalted) power of creation.

Neither was Jesus (PBUH) the only prophet to exist:

“Many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a
Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books (see
Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being,
while Allah does not eat)…” (Al-Maeda: 75)

Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) states that Jesus (PBUH) and Mary
“used to eat”. Hence, Jesus (PBUH) used to eat, drink and walk just
as any other human. Can such a person be a God? Allah (may he be
glorified and exalted) is such that He has no beginning nor ending.

Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) rejects the fabricated statements
and extreme views that Christians have of Jesus (PBUH). Allah (may he be
glorified and exalted) describes in the Holy Quran, how Christians have
deviated so much with their excessive elevation of Jesus that they ignore
God and worship Jesus (PBUH) instead: “O people of the Scripture (Jews
and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of
Allah aught but the truth…” (An-Nisa: 171)

Refer to Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) with only His high
attributes and His beautiful names. Don’t associate him with a partner,
a child (son) or similar things, which do not suit His attributes.

“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah.”
(An-Nisa: 171)

Jesus (PBUH) is only one of the greatest prophets of Allah (may he be
glorified and exalted) and not His son, as you claim.

“And His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam
(Mary).” (An-Nisa: 171)

He is an order manifested by His Glory. It is through His word “Be!”
that he became.

“And a spirit (R&#1099;h) created by Him.” (An-Nisa: 171)

He is a spirit that came into being through creation. Due to the fact
that he miraculously became through the manifestation of the word “K&#65533;
n” (Be) from Allah (may he be glorified and exalted), he (Jesus) was
honoured with the title “Kelimetullah” (the word of Allah). This
honours the spirit by enhancing it to a divine attribution of Allah (may
he be glorified and exalted). Through him (Jesus), Allah (may he be
glorified and exalted) has given life to many dead hearts.

In that case;

“So believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!"
Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God),
Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs
all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is
All­Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.” (An-Nisa: 171)

Jesus (PBUH) felt necessary to remind those who associated non human
attributes to him, that he was but a servant of God:

"Verily! I am a servant of Allah." (Maryam: 30)

He never said to his people: “acquire me as your Lord”, on the
contrary ha said:

"And verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him (Alone). That
is the Straight Path.” (Maryam: 36)

Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) informs us of the consequence
believing in the trinity, which demolishes the basis of monotheist
belief. Those who acquire a God alongside Allah, will be made to face
Jesus (PBUH) in the divine presence of Allah (may he be glorified and
exalted) and who so ever slandered Allah (may he be glorified and
exalted) and his prophets will receive the punishment they deserve.

Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) in addressing the prophet
Muhammad (PBUH), says:

“Say: "If the Most Beneficent had a son, then I am the first of Allah's
worshippers.
Glorified be the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the
Throne! Exalted be He from all that they ascribe (to Him).

So leave them (alone) to speak nonsense and play until they meet the Day
of theirs, which they have been promised.” (Az-Zukhruf: 81-83)

Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) says to those who assign to some
of His servants a share with Him:

“Yet they assign to some of His servants a share with Him (in his
godhead). Verily, man is indeed a manifest ingrate!” (Az-Zukhruf: 15)

To associate him with having a child (son) is a blasphemy and blasphemy
is ingrate avowed.

The Holy Quran frequently explains that Allah (may he be glorified and
exalted) is exempt from having a child (son):

“And they (Jews, Christians and pagans) say: Allah has begotten a son
(children or offspring). Glory be to Him (Exalted be He above all that
they associate with Him). Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens
and on earth, and all surrender with obedience (in worship) to Him.”
(Al-Baqarah: 116)

To impute Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) with having a child
(son) suggests that he also looks human. Whereas since nothing looks like
Him it is unrealistic to assume that He could have a child (son). He is
the only creator, and has neither beginning nor end.

“They say: Allah has taken a son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: He is
the Self-sufficient: His is what is in the heavens and what is in the
earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you
do not know?” (Yunus: 68)

Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) is far from the claims these
people put forward, they impute to a dry opinion, since He has not
declared or made any statement that may suggest that He has a child.

“Say: "Verily, those who invent a lie against Allah will never be
successful"” (Yunus: 69)

They will receive what they fear and be deprived of what they are hoping
for. Hell will be there abode and not heaven.

“Look, how they invent a lie against Allah, and enough is that as a
manifest sin.” (An-Nisa: 50)

Even if this be their only sin, the slander they put forth is a sin that
will shadows them all.

“He Who has begotten no son (children or offspring) and for Whom there
is no partner in the dominion. He has created everything, and has
measured it exactly according to its due measurements.” (Al-Furqan: 2)
The destiny of everything exists under His power. Everything remains
within a boundary that no servant can see beyond. However, His power has
neither boundary nor end. Hence, nothing has the power to go beyond the
limits of creation to become his associate.

“And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah.” (At-Tawba: 30)

This deviation opened a door for Christians to claim “Messiah is the
Son of God.”

“And the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah.” (At-Tawba: 30)

Though in the beginning, it was only a group of Christians who claimed
this, soon after, almost all of them began to accept and claim the same.
Moreover, people who disagreed were accused of blasphemy.

“These are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those
who disbelieved before.” (At-Tawba: 30)

Though they are people of the book, they are like polytheists and are
considered thus.

“Allah's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!”
(At-Tawba: 30)

Due to their slanders, they remain exposed to Allah’s (may he be
glorified and exalted) divine wrath.

Christians claim that sacrificing their minds and ego to believing in the
trinity, is a necessary principle of faith that will save them and purify
them of the initial sin, whereas this is nothing other than taking
lightly the belief in God. This is clearly disrespectful.

The trinity belief was not present at the beginning of Christianity. It
is a fabricated belief, which has resulted from fraudulent alteration of
the bible.

The first gospels written after Jesus (PBUH), was the gospels of Mark. In
this Jesus (PBUH) is referred to as; “You are the Christ” (8/29), in
Luke; “The Christ of God” (9/20). While a clause in the gospels of
Matthew states; “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God”
(16/16). However, Matthew and Luke adopted many of their quotations from
the gospels of Mark. The trinity belief is present in the letters of John
and Paul. Paul is the father of concepts that impute Godliness to
Jesus’s and the one who introduced the present day belief of the
trinity.

Today's Bible, which is considered a holy book by Christians halfly made
up of the letters of Paul who was a Jewish convert.

“Paul, the Jewish convert was a Roman Rabbi who had been a great
oppressor of Christians before his conversion. The letters he wrote the
church upon becoming a Christian, make up half of the 27 books of the
bible. ’Son of God’ and the ’Crucifix’ were the basis of Paul's
doctrines.” (US News and Report, 20th April 1992 p.70)

As a priest, who has converted to Islam states; “Paul's evil minded
letters teach about slander, backbiting, jealousy, betrayal and
spying.” These letters are especially full of inconsistencies and
contradictions.

“Saint Paul, whom introduced trinity to Christianity, is a Jew from
Tarsus whose real name is Saul.”

Before he came out by saying “Jesus came down to me and taught me the
trinity”, Saint Paul, used to teach the Kabbalah in Jerusalem (Kudus)
(The Concise Atlas of the Bible p.124)

“As churches outstretched to Anatolia (Anadolu), Jesus Christ (PBUH)
began to be known as ‘The Son of God’, this was the prime subject of
Pauls‘s letters.” (A.g.e, p.70)



In order to warn Christians and tell them that they have been mislead,
Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) commands in His Ayat;

“Say: "How do you worship besides Allah something which has no power
either to harm or to benefit you?” (Al-Maeda: 76)

All of them, in respect of their nature are creatures of Allah’s (may
he be glorified and exalted). They haven’t the potential to give
neither benefit nor harm.

“But it is Allah Who is the All­Hearer, All­Knower."” (Al-Maeda:
76)

Just as He can hear His servants worship him and pray to him, He also
knows what is kept hidden within the hearts. Consequently, He will give
everyone what they deserve.

“Say: "O people of the Scripture! Exceed not the limits in your
religion other than the truth.” (Al-Maeda: 77)

O Christians! Do not ignore that the Messiah (Jesus) is the prophet of
God by raising him to a divine level.

O Jews! Don’t dare to deflate the value of Jesus by denying he is a
prophet.

“Do not follow the vain desires of people who went astray in times gone
by, and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the Right
Path."” (Al-Maeda: 77)

Here, the deviated and the deviators are mentioned to describe the
dignitaries, from the Jews and Christians, who have marked an epoch in a
deviant path and its followers. In their religion they have not set truth
as their target, and hence have gone as far as wrongly and blindly
imitating their past.

“Evil indeed is that which their ownselves have sent forward before
them.” (Al-Maedah: 80)

It is certain that on the day of judgement, they will see the severe
consequences of their beliefs and deviation.



The religion of Islam, began with the first human and the first prophet
Adam (PBUH), and with the flow of time and the coming of each prophet, it
developed more and more towards perfection. The Islam sent to Moses
(PBUH) was more improved and perfected compared to the Islam sent to Noah
(PBUH). While, the Islam sent to Jesus (PBUH) was more comprehensive and
developed compared to Islam sent to Moses (PBUH). When sent to Muhammad
(PBUH), it reached its final modality and was perfected.

Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) commands in His Ayah;

“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour
upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” (Al-Maeda:
3)

After Islam, there will come no other religion or prophet till the day of
judgement.

“Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam.” (Al-Imran: 19)

It possesses the feature to overcome human beings, qualitative and
quantitative needs through the ages.

To follow older religions while Islam is present is like searching for
stars during the day.

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The Distorted Bible Contains Many References on the Prophethood of Jesus
(PBUH):


After the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus did, they began to
say, “Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world.”
(John: 6:14)

They were all filled with awe and praised God. “A great prophet has
appeared among us,” they said. (Luke: 7:16)

And they took offence at him. But Jesus said to them, “Only in his
hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honour.” (Matthew:
13:57)

All the verses and similar ones mentioned in the Bible, clearly show that
Jesus (PBUH) is a prophet, a messenger sent by God. But on the other
hand, this notion is contradicted in verses: Luke: 9:35, Matthew: 3:17,
Mark: 1:11, John: 1:18, where it is stated that Jesus (PBUH) is the
“Son of God”. These two opposing ideologies should not be present in
a Holy book, or its religion. This clearly shows that the Bible has been
distorted. Some verses mention Jesus as prophet but on the other hand
some others mention him as "Son of God".

The Holy Quran, clearly explains the status of Jesus (PBUH):

“And when I inspired the disciples: Believe in Me and in My messenger,
they said: We believe. Bear witness that we have surrendered (unto Thee)
'we are muslims.'” (Al-Maeda: 111)

“The Messiah does by no means disdain that he should be a servant of
Allah, nor do the angels who are near to Him, and whoever disdains His
service and is proud, He will gather them all together to Himself.”
(An-Nisa: 172)

“He was naught but a servant on whom We bestowed favour, and We made
him an example for the children of Israel.” (Az-Zukhruf: 59)

Jesus (PBUH) is a mortal, a prophet chosen by God to guide people unto
the path of righteousness. As for his task as a prophet, is to invite
people to believe in only one Allah and worship him alone.

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The Holy Quran and the Present Day Bible:


Allah (the most gracious the most merciful) sent down the holy Quran
during the time of the last prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who received and
recorded it. Later it was copied and distributed by Muslims. Today,
worldwide there are millions of publications of the Quran, however one
cannot find the slightest difference even a single letter, among any of
these. Even those who slander it, claiming its omission, have failed to
show a second version. Thus, there is no such doubt that the Quran maybe
altered. A study done by the Germans during the second world war,
compared thousands of copies and manuscripts of the Quran written over
centuries and found not a single difference in content. Their findings
reported that there was no difference between the first copies written
hundreds years ago and those today.

Whereas, the present day bible has derived through the pen of four
different people. Furthermore, it is commonly mentioned that there are
various hidden manuscripts and copies of the bible. Added to it are
various declarations, stories, letters that belong neither to Allah nor
his prophet Jesus (PBUH). For this reason the contradictions and
discrepancies within the bible are countless.

The book ‘The Pact Behind The Faith’ by ordained Methodist Minister
C. Leslie Mitton Jesus (published in 1974 by William B. Eerdmans
Publishing Company Grand Rapids, Michigan USA,) describes in page 10 that
many consider Jesus (PBUH) with respect regarding him an extraordinary
person without taking serious the claim that he is the Son of God. Even
the bible is no longer considered a divine book whose every word is
accurate, but rather it is considered, a collection of writings by
ordinary people who were just as prone to fall into error and ignorance
as anyone else. In answering the question “what do we know for sure
about Jesus?” it is no longer possible to give the churches official
teaching or quote verses from the bible because these only raise further
questions arising. How can we be sure that the church or the holy bible
is correct? To what extent can the bibles reference to Jesus (PBUH) be
considered authentic or to what extent has it been influenced, altered o!
r even created by the imagination

Prof. Dr. Maurice Bucaille writes of the confessions of the French
Catholic Priest Roguet:

“Many bible readers feel embarrassed, in fact they blush when they
think about the meaning behind many of the confessions in the bible. This
also happens when they compare different revelations of the same event
from various versions of the bible. Priest Roguet also mentions this
observation in his book ‘An Introduction to the Bible’. A weekly
Catholic publication, experienced in answering the question of distressed
bible readers is a measure of how uneasy Christians are of what they read
in the holy bible. People who send these queries come from a wide range
of cultural and social backgrounds. Priest Rouget describes that they are
often requested to explain texts that are difficult to understand,
comprehend and often contradictory or those referred to as scandalous
texts. …This is a recent establishment. Priest Rougets book was
published in 1973. Not long ago most Christians were only accommodated to
the bible being read and interpreted in sermons and it was neve! r
tradition to read the whole of t

The Bible has been altered. Hence, it is unavoidable for any reasoning
Christian to fall into doubt or uncertainty about the fraudulent
alteration of the bible. For these reasons many Christian theologists,
have had to explain that there was no book sent to Jesus (PBUH) and
rather the bible was written by Jesus’ partisans. While according to
Islam, it is believed that Allah (the most gracious the most merciful)
has sent to mankind four holy books. These are the Psalms of David, the
Torah, the Bible and the Quran.

Oh Christians! Is it possible to believe a book whose divinity has been
distorted? Is it possible to defend that a religion built on such a book
can be from God? On what evidence do you still reject the last prophet
Muhammad (PBUH)? While it is he, who has elevated Jesus (PBUH) and
introduced him in the most excellent manner to all believers.

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Revelations of the Last Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in the Bible:


Over the years, the holy bible given to Jesus (PBUH) by Allah (may he be
glorified and exalted) has been adulterated by the words of men, yet in
spite of its current tarnished state, it still retains some signs, which
tell of the coming of the last prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away.
Unless I go away, the counsellor will not come to you; but if I go, I
will send him to you. When he comes he will convict the world of guilt in
regard to sin and righteousness and judgement. (John 16:7-8)

I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he,
the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not
speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you
what is yet to come. (John 16:12-13)

If you love me you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father,
and he will give you another counsellor to be with you forever- the
Spirit of truth. (John 14:15-17)

But the Counsellor, the Holly Spirit, whom the father will send in my
name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have
said to you. (John 14:26)

When the Counsellor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the
Spirit of Truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.
(John 15:26)

These are the words of Jesus (PBUH) according to the Bible recognised,
accepted, and believed in by Christians the world over, today. They
attest to two very vital points: that Jesus (PBUH) gave his disciples the
news of the coming of a greater prophet than himself; and that he told
them that they must adhere to him. It also describes his worth and great
virtues. While Jesus (PBUH) spoke of Muhammad (PBUH) in this way,
Rasulullah (the messenger of Allah) spoke of Jesus (PBUH) as follows:

Amongst the people, there is non, who is closer to Jesus son of Mary, in
this world and the next, than I. All the Prophets are brothers; they are
like children of the same father, born of different mothers. All of their
religions are one. (Buhkari, Tajrid-i Sarih: 1403)

The above statements does not only show how both Prophets support and
testify about one another, but it also shows how they compliment each
other, and demonstrates their elevated statuses by Allah’s (may he be
glorified and exalted) side.

The term used to refer to the ‘Spirit of Truth’ of whose coming Jesus
(PBUH) spoke is ‘Paraklate’ in Greek or ‘Paraklatos’ in the
Latin. According to Christian traditions, Paraklate means one who
praises, or the saviour; which is easily a reference to Prophet Muhammad
(PBUH), who saved mankind from sin/corruption. Further more, the direct
translation of the word Paraklate, into Arabic, is Ahmad. Hence, this
refers to our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

The Kingdom of Heaven being close at hand, as spoken of in Mathew and
Luke, is also a reference to Muhammad (PBUH):

He told them another parable: The Kingdom of Heaven is like a mustard
seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the
smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of
garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and
perch in its branches. (Matthew 13:31-32)

As the parable describes, the religion which the last messenger brought,
was initially weak, his followers very few, but afterwards Islam grew
strong and spread throughout the world.

In the eyes of Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) Jesus (PBUH) is a
truly elevated Prophet. It is because Allah (may he be glorified and
exalted) wishes it so, that they are loved so much by men. Basically, the
endless love and devotion we have towards all of the Prophets of Allah
(may he be glorified and exalted), in spite of lack of knowledge or
understanding of their greatness, is purely due to the will of the
almighty, and beyond any human capability or capacity we have, for he is
a prophet.

“O children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you,
confirming the Law (which came) before me in the Torah, and giving good
tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.”
(As-Saff: 6)

One can discern from the Quranic verse above, that the increase of
devotion, love and association between Jesus (PBUH) and Muhammad (PBUH)
leads to the essence of brotherhood between them. Furthermore, with the
will of Allah (may he be glorified and exalted), Muhammad (PBUH) boldly
reveals the mystery and the truth surrounding Jesus (PBUH).

He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known
to you. (John 16:14)

What he meant by this is; “Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) has
bestowed many great virtues and qualities upon me, which I cannot explain
to you now. But he will reveal to you my reality, and explain all that
Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) has given me.”


This is why, when the awaited prophet came, many great Judeo-Christian
scholars of the time embraced the new religion brought by him.

“Those whom We have given the Book recognize this as they recognize
their sons; (as for) those who have lost their souls, they will not
believe.” (Al-Anaam: 20)

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) gave the news of the return of Jesus (PBUH).

I swear by Allah (may he be glorified and exalted), in whose power my
life rests; It will not be long before Jesus (PBUH) son of Mary, will
return as a fair judge, to destroy the cross, kill the pig, and remove
tax …then, there will be such a great increase in wealth, that it will
be impossible to find anyone who will accept charity. (Bukhari, Tajrid-i
sarih: 1018)

It will not be long before Jesus (PBUH) son of Mary, will return as a
fair judge, to destroy the cross, kill the pig and remove tax; young she
camels will be left untended, and non will be interested in them; all
enmity and hatred between men will be in the past. Jesus (PBUH) will
invite people to partake in the wealth, but there will be non who desires
it. (Muslim: 155)

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Jesus (PBUH) was the last of the Prophets sent to the children of Israel.
He renewed the religion, which had been practiced throughout the ages
until his time, spoke openly, about Ahmad who would come after him, even
referring to him by name, while his teachings and ideologies were also
inclined towards the last prophet.

In his time, Jesus (PBUH) supported the Torah, which bore revelations of
his coming, before him, as well as revelations about that of the last
prophet Muhammad (PBUH). In doing so, he proved with his own existence;
and the good tidings he brought, in regards to the coming of Ahmad (PBUH)
being close at hand; that the revelations in the Torah were true, and
very near to being fully realised.

This was one of the prophet-hood duties of Jesus (PBUH): To be a pioneer
for him whose name ‘Ahmad’, not only means he who praises Allah (may
he be glorified and exalted) the most, but also, he who is praised and
honoured most amongst all of Allah’s (may he be glorified and exalted)
creations.

Yet in spite of the words of the messiah, many of the sons of Israel
denied Muhammad (PBUH) just as they had denied Jesus (PBUH), while even
many Christians hid the truth, by altering their scriptures.

Many Christian priests and scholars awaited the appearance of the final
prophet, as did the sons of Israel, who expected him to come to them, and
from amongst their own people. Yet when the awaited messenger, the
promise of whose celebrated coming, was written in their Holly books and
scriptures, came from amongst the descendants of Ishmael (PBUH), there
was much trickery and accusations from those who didn’t want to accept
him, as well as a great deal of hostility.

“But when the Messenger came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this
is evident sorcery!" (As-Saff: 6)

The Jews and Christians who refused to submit to Allah’s (may he be
glorified and exalted) word and will, were driven by their own desires in
wanting the final messenger to come from their own midst. Yet in spite of
the fact that he was unmistakably the messenger of Allah (may he be
glorified and exalted), they refused to accept this, and went about
denying him.

O those who refuse to believe, imagine that you are in the presence of
your Lord. If you are honest with yourselves, you cannot believe that the
promised messenger has still not arrived.

Allah (may he be glorified and exalted) sent you a messenger who brought
the truth. You have heard this, and you know it. Can you still refuse to
accept? Can you still snub divine will, and submit to the desires of your
baser self? Can you not see that in what you do, you are preparing your
doom with your own hands?

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Why did Bush not allow Yusuf Islam to enter the USA?


They know that Islam is the last religion and the holy Quran is the last
book sent by Allah (the most gracious the most merciful) and that
Muhammad is the last prophet sent by Allah (the most gracious the most
merciful).

“O followers of the Book! Why do you confound the truth with the
falsehood and knowingly hide the truth?” (Al-E-Imran: 71)

However, since they have not found righteousness they continue to persist
in there corruption.

“And to whomsoever Allah does not give light, he has no light.”
(Al-Noor: 40)

What is there punishment?

They will see torment like no one else has seen. Since, they deny divine
commands, try to hide the truth, and choose mistaken beliefs over what is
right.

“Seize him, then drag him down into the middle of the hell; Then pour
upon his head the torment of the boiling water. Taste thou! Wast thou
forsooth the mighty, the honourable. Truly this is what ye used to
doubt!” (Ad-Dukhan: 47-50)

And it will be said to them: “Weren’t you renowned amongst your
people? But you were/remained ungrateful towards your creature Allah (the
most gracious the most merciful).”

“Does not man see that We have created him from a drop of seed
(detestable water)? Then lo! he (stands forth) as an open adversary!”
(Ya-seen: 77)

Though, it was He who created you from a sperm and surrounded you with
His blessings, still what is it that deceives you against all His
benevolence? Thus, suffer the torment you deserve! Suffer it eternally…

This goes to ruler. Every disbelieving ruler, will taste this torment.

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The USA Feared Yusuf Islam
(Turkish Newspaper; Y. &#1070;afak, 23. September 2004)


Not allowing Yusuf Islam to enter the US, was an act driven by malicious
crusade mentalities with an ulterior motive to openly antagonise Islam.
However, this situation will result in against them. While he was going
to meet a few people there now the subject matter has spread worldwide.

Yusuf Islam had no gun, nor plane, yet why did the US fear him? They
feared him because above all he has faith.

“O you who believe! Guard your own souls: If you are on the right way,
no hurt can come to you from those who stray. To Allah is your return, of
all (of you), and then He will inform you of what you did.” (Al-Maeda:
105)

They know well that their book has been altered. Thus this is what Allah
(the most gracious the most merciful) informs us:

“They change the words from their places and forget a good part of the
message that was sent them…” (Al-Maeda: 105)

They have seen the bible altered and destroyed, yet why do they still
hide this truth? Because they want to cover the truths.

While Yusuf Islam was also once a Christian, and a man of fame but once
he was honoured with faith he turned his back to everything else. He
accepted Allah (the most gracious the most merciful) His Book and His
Prophet and was saved.

“Is one whose heart Allah has opened to Islam, so that he has received
Enlightenment from Allah, (no better than one hard-hearted)? Woe to those
whose hearts are hardened against celebrating the praises of Allah! They
are manifestly wandering in error!” (Az-Zumar: 22)

These are the ones who are saved, those are the ones who are held.

Does this not teach you a lesson? Allah (the most gracious the most
merciful) informs us in His verses:

“Surely the (true) religion with Allah is Islam.” (Al-E-Imran: 19)

They fear him because they fear the spreading of the light of faith.

For instance: An armed robber enters a house. When the child of the
household shouts: “Dad!” the robber strays. Why? Because he is not
supposed to be there, he is not a member of that household.

Thus, because they remain deprived of the true religion, they take
precautions against the spreading of the divine religion. Nevertheless,
their fears will come true.

Surah Al-Isra verse 58 refers to them:

“There is not a town but We will destroy it before the day of
resurrection or punish it with a severe punishment; this is written in
the Book (of Divine ordinance).”

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O Christians!


We invite you to believe that there is no God but Allah (the most
gracious the most merciful) who is exempt from mortal attributes and He
begets not, nor was He begotten; and to believe in all His messengers,
that Muhammad (PBUH) and Jesus (PBUH) are His servants and prophets; and
to believe that the Psalms, Torah, Bible and Quran are all true books
sent to the messengers of Allah (the most gracious the most merciful).

This is the truth, this is true redemption.

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“And peace to all who follow guidance!” (Ta-ha: 47)

“Peace on His servants whom He has chosen!…” (Al-Naml: 59)

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From: Mrs. Joy Dish Khushab

I am the above named person from Pakistan. I am
married to Dr.Dish Khushab who worked with Pakistan
embassy in Togo for nine years before he died in the
year 2001.We were married for eleven years without a
child. He died after a brief illness that lasted for
only four days. Before his death we were both born
again Christians. Since his death I decided not to
re-marry or get a child outside my matrimonial home,
which the Bible is against. When my Late husband was
alive he deposited the sum of$6.5Million (Six Million
Five hundred thousand U.S. Dollars) with one
finance/security company in Amsterdam Holland.

Presently, this money is still with the Security
Company. Recently, my Doctor told me that I would not
last for the next Three months due to cancer problem.
Though what disturbs me most is my stroke sickness.
Having known my condition I decided to donate this
fund to church or better still a Christian individual
that will utilize this money the way I am going to
instruct here in.

I want a church that will Use this fund-to-fund
churches, orphanages and widows propagating the word
of God and to ensure that the house of God is
maintained. The Bible made us to understand that
Blessed is the hand that giveth. I took this decision
because I don't have any child that will inherit this
money and my husband relatives are not Christians and
I don't want my husband's hard earned money to be
misused by unbelievers.

I don't want a situation where this money will be used
in an ungodly manner. Hence the reason for taking this
bold decision. I am not afraid of death hence I know
where I am going.

I know that I am going to be in the bosom of the
Lord. Exodus 14 VS 14 says that the lord will fight my
case and I shall hold my peace. I don't need any
telephone communication in this regard because of my
health because of the presence of my husband's
relatives around me always. I don't want them to know
about this development. With God all things are
possible. As soon as I receive your reply I shall give
you the contact of the Finance/Security Company in
Amsterdam Holland.

I will also issue you a letter of authority that will
prove you as the original- beneficiary of this fund. I
want you and the church to always pray for me because
the lord is my shepherd. Happiness is that I lived a
life of a worthy Christian. Whoever that wants to
serve the Lord must serve him in spirit and truth.

Please always be prayerful all through your life. Any
delay in your reply will give me room in sourcing for
a church or Christian individual for this Same
purpose. Please assure me that you will act
accordingly as I stated herein. Hoping to hearing from
you. Remain blessed in the name of the Lord.
Yours in Christ,
Mrs. Joy Dish Khushab
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