IsolationedSnow

Ok fair enough.

You're funny man. Good times. See you around.

But you have to admit I have some good points. I mean someone like kayfire comes at me and he's completely wrong and no one says a single thing. If someone says something legit I acknowledge it most likely. I just basically respond to the trolls and I know that is a big mistake but I do it because, just as you are, I am bored.

Not really bud. But thanks for playing.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong but what's the problem with making a video of first ascents'. and I guess next time I'll keep new areas to myself and my friends. You asked for it..

Not worth the trip. Rainbow falls fell down and everywhere is melting.

Check out some of the local guide companies online- they often have plastics for around 100.00. International mountain guides had some for sale in the spring.

If you ever get off your butt and try it I'm gonna laugh when you can't get up it.

So I was right in calling it a pink/ redpoint. Thanks for nothing kayfire.

I don't know about that kayfire- because that leaves no distinction between pre-placed and not pre-placed draws. I understand there are situations where it doesn't matter but sometimes that makes a big difference.

So it's a redpoint? Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification.

ok thanks I think I knew all that. I called it a pink point only because I had gone for a redpoint, fallen and lowered off, leaving two draws. I didn't want to go clean them so I left them and called it a pink point when i sent. Is that incorrect? If so, why?

Ya... Again. Just try it. You guys get caught up in the bs too easily. As for the rating- Its my understanding that you use the "d" (drytool) scale to rate a climb without ice but done with rOck shoes. I obviously did this route with crampons and in winter conditions so the m scale is very apropos. A good comparison is the rap wall or the black ice crag- both use m grades and I don't hear you crying about that.

sick@!

Alex- you're right.